The Not-So- and All-Too-Real World of North Korea

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Re: The Not-So- and All-Too-Real World of North Korea

Post by Aresen » 20 Dec 2018, 15:45

It's not a so much a failure of Trump diplomacy as a failure to recognize that it was doomed to fail.
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Re: The Not-So- and All-Too-Real World of North Korea

Post by JasonL » 20 Dec 2018, 15:50

Your only hope really was a relatively stable regime collapse before they became nuclear plausible. After that - sorry to say it's appeasement all the way to brinkmanship if actual aggression occurs - no other options.

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Re: The Not-So- and All-Too-Real World of North Korea

Post by thoreau » 20 Dec 2018, 17:16

NK's stance is not a failure on Trump's part.

Trump's crowing about the success that never happened is just a giant embarrassment.
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Re: The Not-So- and All-Too-Real World of North Korea

Post by Shem » 20 Dec 2018, 18:30

JasonL wrote:
20 Dec 2018, 15:50
Your only hope really was a relatively stable regime collapse before they became nuclear plausible.
That was never going to be possible with Seoul within rocket distance.
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Re: The Not-So- and All-Too-Real World of North Korea

Post by Warren » 20 Dec 2018, 19:29

thoreau wrote:
20 Dec 2018, 17:16
NK's stance is not a failure on Trump's part.

Trump's crowing about the success that never happened is just a giant embarrassment.
To whom?
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Re: The Not-So- and All-Too-Real World of North Korea

Post by JasonL » 20 Dec 2018, 19:41

Shem wrote:
20 Dec 2018, 18:30
JasonL wrote:
20 Dec 2018, 15:50
Your only hope really was a relatively stable regime collapse before they became nuclear plausible.
That was never going to be possible with Seoul within rocket distance.
Right. Something something internal power struggle moderate strongman ... yah i got nothin

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Re: The Not-So- and All-Too-Real World of North Korea

Post by Mo » 22 Dec 2018, 08:45

JasonL wrote:Nothing else was ever going to be the case. If you are a guy like that guy, there's nothing in the world better than having nukes. No, it's not a particular failure of Trumpian diplomacy. It was always a lie, it always has been a lie every time it's been uttered since the beginning of the regime.
True. But then no need to semi-normalize relations, validate their complaints about joint military exercises with South Korea, lessen pressure on China to keep them in line and legitimize their demands.
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Re: The Not-So- and All-Too-Real World of North Korea

Post by thoreau » 09 Feb 2019, 01:39

Somebody's on the Juche Train:

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Re: The Not-So- and All-Too-Real World of North Korea

Post by Tuco » 09 Feb 2019, 06:37

How can this guy constantly be weirder than Vermin Supreme?

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