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Because the craziness that is Japan really deserves its own thread.
To kick this off, something that won't make you feel the need to shower - Dekotora (decorated trucks).
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More here and here.

This is really kind of a cool. Crazy, but not quite insane.
EDIT: Oh, and the civil rights and basic human dignity thing too. - JasonL

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Clearly, Japan and New Orleans should do a cultural exchange.

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Don't remember seeing any of those in Japan, but they do remind me of the 'jingle trucks' of south central Asia.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/04/fashi ... ml?_r=1&hp

This could go either here or in the OFFS section; it's imported from Japan (via Lady Gaga, natch), but apparently is now a big thing among the girl yutes in the US of A
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I see a couple of anecdotes about a "problem" that is all but unknown outside of certain cliques and no evidence, hard or soft, that the use of the lenses are common or even increasing. My rule of thumb is that anything in the NY Times Fashion & Style section that doesn't involve peer-reviewed statistics is bullshit; this provides no evidence that my policy is incorrect.
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Shem wrote:I see a couple of anecdotes about a "problem" that is all but unknown outside of certain cliques and no evidence, hard or soft, that the use of the lenses are common or even increasing. My rule of thumb is that anything in the NY Times Fashion & Style section that doesn't involve peer-reviewed statistics is bullshit; this provides no evidence that my policy is incorrect.
Definitely, they are the most prolific generators of fake trend BS stories.
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While on the topic of anime, there is something I've often been curious about: given how very racist Japanese society tends to be (If you ain't Japanese, you ain't shit), it's odd that so many anime heroes and heroines have distinctly non-Japanese characteristics. I recently re-watched the first two seasons of Star Blazers, and the heroines -- Nova the human, Starsha from planet Iscandar and Trelaina from planet Telezart -- all have various shades of blonde hair, which is most assuredly NOT a Japanese trait. Even anime eyes are odd -- I gather that in Japan, "round eyes" is a racist anti-Western insult much as "slant-eyes" is a racist Western insult against East Asians, yet anime characters have eyes that are almost a parody of round Western eyes.
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And did you notice how all the evil villains have straight black hair and slanty eyes?
Just goes to show what a couple of nuclear bombs can do to an ancient nationalism.
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Warren wrote:And did you notice how all the evil villains have straight black hair and slanty eyes?
Just goes to show what a couple of nuclear bombs can do to an ancient nationalism.
Well, in Star Blazers the villains are blue Gamelons or green people from the Comet Empire. But I can't fathom how Japanese can insist they're racially superior to everyone else while simultaneously believing certain Caucasian traits are the height of beauty.
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Well, a relatively diminutive mustachioed dark-haired man wasn't the model of Aryanism either.

Edit: All I'm saying is, if *I* were leading a cult of personality, I'd be showing the chicas pix of *me* as the examplar of 'the perfect man' , rather than say Brad Pitt.
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Moustaches are rather Aryan though.
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Kolohe wrote:Well, a relatively diminutive mustachioed dark-haired man wasn't the model of Aryanism either.

Edit: All I'm saying is, if *I* were leading a cult of personality, I'd be showing the chicas pix of *me* as the examplar of 'the perfect man' , rather than say Brad Pitt.
True, Hitler fell drastically short of the "Aryan ideal," but at least Nazi propaganda was otherwise consistent, showing handsome blonds with chiseled features. It's not like Nazi movies showed people with traditionally "Jewish" features being held up as an ideal.
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The short answer: Anime and manga faces are, 99% of the time, cartoony and thus simplified. Such characters basically look "white" to us because the Japanese don't feel the need to draw simplified faces with the particular features that Westerners think of as "Japanese-looking". Also, there is some hair color variation in Japan, which gets exaggerated, and then there's the blue, green, purple, etc. hair thing.

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So it is that Americans and others raised in European-dominated societies, regardless of their background, will see a circle with two dots for eyes and a line for a mouth, free of racial signifiers, as “white.”

Japan, however, is not and never has been a European-dominated society. The Japanese are not Other within their own borders, and therefore drawn (or painted or sculpted) representations of, by and for Japanese do not, as a rule, include stereotyped racial markers. A circle with two dots for eyes and a line for a mouth is, by default, Japanese.

It should come as no surprise, then, that Japanese readers should have no trouble accepting the stylized characters in manga, with their small jaws, all but nonexistent noses, and famously enormous eyes as “Japanese.” Unless the characters are clearly identified as foreign, Japanese readers see them as Japanese, and it would never occur to most readers that they might be otherwise, regardless of whether non-Japanese observers think the characters look Japanese or not.
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Jennifer wrote:
Kolohe wrote:Well, a relatively diminutive mustachioed dark-haired man wasn't the model of Aryanism either.

Edit: All I'm saying is, if *I* were leading a cult of personality, I'd be showing the chicas pix of *me* as the examplar of 'the perfect man' , rather than say Brad Pitt.
True, Hitler fell drastically short of the "Aryan ideal," but at least Nazi propaganda was otherwise consistent, showing handsome blonds with chiseled features. It's not like Nazi movies showed people with traditionally "Jewish" features being held up as an ideal.
Hitler may have fallen drastically short of the "Aryan ideal" in our understanding of the notion, but he was, believe it or not, considered an extremely handsome man by the German people, especially women.

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Is there a particular reason we say that the Japanese are super racist? I find that kinda racist.

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Jennifer wrote:Even anime eyes are odd -- I gather that in Japan, "round eyes" is a racist anti-Western insult much as "slant-eyes" is a racist Western insult against East Asians
That's a projection of the western media. To the extent that they use slurs (and most of them don't, at least not where anyone who would repeat them could hear; that's a very overt act for people in a culture as conflict averse as the Japanese are) they mostly focus on the outside-ness of foreigners. Group membership is much more important in determining race for the Japanese than some pseudo-scientific notion of genetic purity.
Fin Fang Foom wrote:Is there a particular reason we say that the Japanese are super racist? I find that kinda racist.
Their treatment of the Ainu and ethnic Koreans, for one.
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Shem wrote:
Fin Fang Foom wrote:Is there a particular reason we say that the Japanese are super racist? I find that kinda racist.
Their treatment of the Ainu and ethnic Koreans, for one.
Also, try putting a bouncer in front of your establishment anywhere in America that explicitly* says 'no black(latino/asian/white) people allowed' and see how well that goes over.

*as opposed to just dirty looks and other non-verbal communication
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American exceptionalism as a concept needs about 1,000 years to distill before it is in the same discussion as Japanese exceptionalism. There's a vast mythology that's reinforced through the educational system and a marketplace that sells people the affirmation they desire. There apples and there are Japanese apples for 4x the price. Did you know Japan has FOUR SEASONS? Be wary of a guy whose face is shaped like home plate, he's probably a korean.

My read is that it comes from so much being surrendered for the sake of harmony. The confuscian ideal is about knowing your place and not acting up, so there has to be a high degree of trust that the guy you are talking to isn't going to opt out of the Rule Book. You secure that trust by creating signals that you are on the same team. The first signal is given by racial homogenaity. If you are white or if your face looks like home plate, I must deal with you as someone who can't be trusted to follow the rules, so you are fundamentally an Other. More and more secret handshakes evolve over time until you have a culture that is more or less predicated on racism.

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Kolohe wrote:
Shem wrote:
Fin Fang Foom wrote:Is there a particular reason we say that the Japanese are super racist? I find that kinda racist.
Their treatment of the Ainu and ethnic Koreans, for one.
Also, try putting a bouncer in front of your establishment anywhere in America that explicitly* says 'no black(latino/asian/white) people allowed' and see how well that goes over.

*as opposed to just dirty looks and other non-verbal communication
"Japanese Only" signs are ubiquitous in the land of the rising sun. It was the first thing I noticed during my first visit there. America catches a lot of shit for being a racist/nationalist society. While we still have a long way to go, we ain't even close to contending for the title.
EDIT: Oh, and the civil rights and basic human dignity thing too. - JasonL

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J sub D wrote:America catches a lot of shit for being a racist/nationalist society.
That's cause we're on tv all the time. It seems fairly clear that but for Canada, other developed nations are way more racist than the U.S., if in different ways. Maybe not the Netherlands.

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Fin Fang Foom wrote:
J sub D wrote:America catches a lot of shit for being a racist/nationalist society.
That's cause we're on tv all the time. It seems fairly clear that but for Canada, other developed nations are way more racist than the U.S., if in different ways. Maybe not the Netherlands.
Don't be too sure about Canada. Don't confuse the official government line with how yer average hoser thinks.

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when you wake up as the queen of the n=1 kingdom and mount your steed non sequiturius, do you look out upon all you survey and think “damn, it feels good to be a green idea sleeping furiously?" - dhex

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Just in time for summer (in Japan): a spray-can foam that cools the skin (and makes a nifty bracelet)
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his voice is so soothing, but why do conspiracy nuts always sound like Batman and Robin solving one of Riddler's puzzles out loud? - fod

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lol, of course:
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I'm actually surprised they hadn't had this kind of thing before. I mean, what with Love Hotels and pantsu vending machines and porn in the newspaper and everything else.
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