OFFS: The Forsakening

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Post by Jennifer » 06 Sep 2017, 01:43

Amazingly, even the NRA appears capable of looking beyond the Virgin Islanders' complexions and realizing what a BAD precedent this would set:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing- ... ation-plan
The National Rifle Association (NRA) is threatening legal action to stop a seizure of guns and ammunition by U.S. Virgin Islands Gov. Kenneth Mapp (I) ahead of Hurricane Irma, the group said Tuesday.

"People need the ability to protect themselves during times of natural disaster," said Chris Cox, executive director of the NRA'S Institute for Legislative Action. "This dangerous order violates the constitutional rights of law-abiding citizens and puts their lives at risk." ...

New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin signed a similar order in 2005 amid the destruction from Hurricane Katrina allowing the seizure of private weapons, which the NRA opposed in a federal court. Congress later passed a bill, supported by the NRA and signed by President George W. Bush, banning future seizures of weapons during emergencies.

“When 911 is nonexistent and law enforcement personnel are overwhelmed with search-and-rescue missions and other emergency duties, law-abiding American citizens must be able to protect their families and loved ones," Cox said. "The NRA is prepared to pursue legal action to halt Gov. Mapp's dangerous and unconstitutional order."
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Re: OFFS: The Forsakening

Post by Eric the .5b » 06 Sep 2017, 19:22

Jennifer wrote:
06 Sep 2017, 01:43
Amazingly, even the NRA appears capable of looking beyond the Virgin Islanders' complexions and realizing what a BAD precedent this would set:
...Well, holy shit.
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Re: OFFS: The Forsakening

Post by Kolohe » 06 Sep 2017, 19:41

Eric the .5b wrote:
06 Sep 2017, 19:22
Jennifer wrote:
06 Sep 2017, 01:43
Amazingly, even the NRA appears capable of looking beyond the Virgin Islanders' complexions and realizing what a BAD precedent this would set:
...Well, holy shit.
The Virgin Islands getting fucked is kind of an existential crisis all around.
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Post by Warren » 06 Sep 2017, 19:49

Kolohe wrote:
06 Sep 2017, 19:41
Eric the .5b wrote:
06 Sep 2017, 19:22
Jennifer wrote:
06 Sep 2017, 01:43
Amazingly, even the NRA appears capable of looking beyond the Virgin Islanders' complexions and realizing what a BAD precedent this would set:
...Well, holy shit.
The Virgin Islands getting fucked is kind of an existential crisis all around.
Nothing a new name wouldn't set right.
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Post by lunchstealer » 07 Sep 2017, 01:22

Eric the .5b wrote:
06 Sep 2017, 19:22
Jennifer wrote:
06 Sep 2017, 01:43
Amazingly, even the NRA appears capable of looking beyond the Virgin Islanders' complexions and realizing what a BAD precedent this would set:
...Well, holy shit.
Yeah, they have no idea that black people can afford to live in the Virgin Islands as anything but the help.
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Post by dbcooper » 03 Oct 2017, 21:38

Mozilla just gave $100,000 to a revolutionary socialist group:

https://riseup.net/en/about-us
The Riseup Collective is an autonomous body based in Seattle with collective members world wide. Our purpose is to aid in the creation of a free society, a world with freedom from want and freedom of expression, a world without oppression or hierarchy, where power is shared equally. We do this by providing communication and computer resources to allies engaged in struggles against capitalism and other forms of oppression.

x We value, support, and engage in struggles for human liberation, the ethical treatment of animals, and ecological sustainability. We join in the fight for freedom and the self-determination of all oppressed groups. We oppose all forms of prejudice, authoritarianism, and vanguardism.

x We organize on the basis of autonomy, mutual aid, resource sharing, participatory knowledge, social advocacy, anti-oppression work, community creation, and secure communication.

x We work to create revolution and a free society in the here and now by building alternative communication infrastructure designed to oppose and replace the dominant system.

x We promote social ownership and democratic control over information, ideas, technology, and the means of communication.

x We empower organizations and individuals to use technology in struggles for liberation. We work to support each other in overcoming the systemic oppression embedded in the use and development of technology.
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According to Mozilla:

https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/10/0 ... -projects/
$100,000 to RiseUp, a coordination platform used by activists across the political spectrum, to improve the security of their email service;
Oh really ...

ETA:

Also: https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/09/01 ... -violence/
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Post by Sandy » 04 Oct 2017, 04:08

“The left” of contemporary 2017 America is deeply divided and fractured, and it is a shadow of its former self, considering the decline of organized labor, and the disappearance of left-public intellectuals in higher education.
Do they mean no more JK Gallbraiths? Because I see talking heads from left academia all the friggin time.
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Post by JasonL » 04 Oct 2017, 08:48

Ahaha no left intellectuals.

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Post by Warren » 04 Oct 2017, 10:17

More like left "intellectuals" amiright?
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Re: OFFS: The Forsakening

Post by JD » 04 Oct 2017, 13:22

dbcooper wrote:
03 Oct 2017, 21:38
Mozilla just gave $100,000 to a revolutionary socialist group:
The other idiocy of revolutionary socialists aside, stuff like "Information needs to be democratically controlled" is the most mindless kind of nonsense. What information? The password to your email account? Which one of your neighbors are gay, or Muslim, or undocumented immigrants?

I wish they'd just say "We want society to look like _________" rather than just throwing around a bunch of pretty words like "democracy" and "community", because everybody likes democracy and community, right? Sometimes what the community democratically wants is to drive people out of town for being of the wrong religion, or stone them to death for having the wrong kind of sex, which is why I'm not always so hot on democracy or local community empowerment.

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Re: OFFS: The Forsakening

Post by Aresen » 04 Oct 2017, 16:22

JD wrote:
04 Oct 2017, 13:22
dbcooper wrote:
03 Oct 2017, 21:38
Mozilla just gave $100,000 to a revolutionary socialist group:
The other idiocy of revolutionary socialists aside, stuff like "Information needs to be democratically controlled" is the most mindless kind of nonsense. What information? The password to your email account? Which one of your neighbors are gay, or Muslim, or undocumented immigrants?

I wish they'd just say "We want society to look like _________" rather than just throwing around a bunch of pretty words like "democracy" and "community", because everybody likes democracy and community, right? Sometimes what the community democratically wants is to drive people out of town for being of the wrong religion, or stone them to death for having the wrong kind of sex, which is why I'm not always so hot on democracy or local community empowerment.
"Information needs to be democratically controlled" is the left equivalent of the rights "standards must be upheld". Both mean censorship.
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Re: OFFS: The Forsakening

Post by Dangerman » 04 Oct 2017, 16:41

I'm ok with the development of cryptographic/distributed communications by whoever. Running code is hardly political. They sound like idiots though.

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Post by lunchstealer » 04 Oct 2017, 17:04

JD wrote:
04 Oct 2017, 13:22
The other idiocy of revolutionary socialists aside, stuff like "Information needs to be democratically controlled" is the most mindless kind of nonsense. What information? The password to your email account? Which one of your neighbors are gay, or Muslim, or undocumented immigrants?

I wish they'd just say "We want society to look like _________" rather than just throwing around a bunch of pretty words like "democracy" and "community", because everybody likes democracy and community, right? Sometimes what the community democratically wants is to drive people out of town for being of the wrong religion, or stone them to death for having the wrong kind of sex, which is why I'm not always so hot on democracy or local community empowerment.
This is one of the best expressions of the ideal of constitutionally limited government power that I've seen in a good long while.
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Post by dbcooper » 05 Oct 2017, 04:04

Slip inside a sleeping bag.

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Post by fyodor » 05 Oct 2017, 15:01

I'm not clicking that link cause criminalizing reading about reading about extremism might be next.

And then of course reading about reading about reading about extremism....

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Re: OFFS: The Forsakening

Post by Shem » 05 Oct 2017, 15:48

JD wrote:
04 Oct 2017, 13:22
I wish they'd just say "We want society to look like _________"
They don't know. They use buzzwords about democracy and community because they don't know what the world they want looks like. Conservatism works because Buckley stitched together a vision for the world out of BS hagiographies and cowboy movie individualism, and then made it the chassis of a policy machine. The left doesn't even try to do the same. They're arguing about transmissions when they don't even know if they want a sports car or a hybrid sedan or a pickup truck. It's why all they can do is offer platitudes or wonkery when you ask them what they want the world to look like.
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Post by JasonL » 05 Oct 2017, 15:58

That's generous. They want not to have to do anything other than their favorite thing, funded by someone else, forever. They don't talk specifics because it's transparently ridiculous to do so once you consider the other side of the ledger. They say community and democracy because they think those things sound better than stfu and write me checks till the end of time while i sit on my butt. Some subset of them are more broad vision utopians but struggle because, again, it doesn't make a bit of sense unless you say something like "community means everyone just agrees".

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Post by Shem » 05 Oct 2017, 16:18

You live in a country where 62 million people voted for a guy whose major campaign promise involved a 30 billion dollar wall that didn't work in even the most optimistic of projections, while 65 million demanded the government be both world policeman and chief butter provider simultaneously, and you still think anyone other than you and maybe some wonks care about coming off as transparently ridiculous?
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Post by JasonL » 05 Oct 2017, 16:30

Historically yes, but I am worried that stupid things are okay to say out loud forever now, ergo actual communists will be crawling out of the woodwork. I think what constrained the far left was their shame at how stupid they sounded in public company. Now, you are right, nobody cares anymore.

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Post by dead_elvis » 05 Oct 2017, 17:19

Is it my imagination or does Britain *really* hate the internet.
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Post by thoreau » 05 Oct 2017, 17:30

dead_elvis wrote:
05 Oct 2017, 17:19
Is it my imagination or does Britain *really* hate the internet.
They never should have read the comments.
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Post by Eric the .5b » 06 Oct 2017, 00:39

Shem wrote:
05 Oct 2017, 15:48
JD wrote:
04 Oct 2017, 13:22
I wish they'd just say "We want society to look like _________"
They don't know. They use buzzwords about democracy and community because they don't know what the world they want looks like.
Phfft.

The left doesn't have one idea of what the world should look like because they don't agree on one. They all have plenty of ideas, from, "Like now, but with more welfare—you know, like Europe!" to "And here's my long list of people to put up against the wall so we can achieve a vision of mechanistic social perfection that nobody with a clue's taken seriously since talkies were invented."
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Re: OFFS: The Forsakening

Post by JasonL » 06 Oct 2017, 09:19

Not sure where to put this, as it's more enragening than ffsakening, but, so I have allergenic asthma. I don't keep prescription meds or even have a scrip because I have had maybe 7 attacks worth noting in 15 years. Something in the air right now is getting me causing allergy stuff and triggering the asthma. Used to be you could just use an inhaler like Primatene. Those are illegal now. There is now exactly one OTC bronchodilator in existence as far as I can tell and it's kinda shitty and in pill form that takes longer than you'd like but oh well it's been decent enough. So for the first time in forever I went to pharmacy to get some and was told that I can't for 30 days because two days ago I reloaded on claritin D. Which, you know, doesn't help with the I can't breathe thing. I don't have a primary care doc at all, so to get my hands on it I'd need to get a new doc, get an appointment, get a scrip, then come back which may take 30 days anyway. I was raging against machines last night. It's illegal to have runny nose and asthma at the same time.

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Re: OFFS: The Forsakening

Post by nicole » 06 Oct 2017, 09:38

Not that it matters, but we do have viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2555
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Re: OFFS: The Forsakening

Post by Ellie » 06 Oct 2017, 10:02

I've got a bunch of Bronkaid pills if you want me to throw them in the mail for you. Faster than finding a doc at least. Just PM me your address.
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