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Post by Jasper » 19 Dec 2018, 10:49

I've completely lost the thread of this flap. Can you guys stake out and support your positions again?

Sorry to vent. I just want to zip this up.
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Post by lunchstealer » 19 Dec 2018, 11:07

JasonL wrote:I mean I appreciate the poetry, and maybe it would be better to call it a tax, but, again - the alternative is the camel trampling all over the tent forever. Handing over all features of medicine to the government directly forever, apparently not nearly as offensive as nose in the tent?
Ah different camel different tent. I’m more of the ‘the government mandating purchases for all for a given private company or suite of companies is a bright line we do not cross.’ Not for healthcare specifically but for everything.

For socialized medicine the camels were on their way in when Medicare and Medicaid became a thing and it’s just a matter of finding the least damaging place for the camel to stand.

But one measure of damage is what we let govt do, and mandated private purchases seems like a damaging place for the camel to stand.
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Post by Mo » Today, 05:20

Related to my comment on the other thread regarding kids' fevers, I feel like all the horror stories you would read in libertarian/conservative publications about the horrors of NHS and socialized health care are bullshit. Granted, I haven't tried to get a hip replacement, but for all of the health stuff I or my family has needed, I've seen no difference in wait times between here and the US. Granted, I have private health insurance, but most big employers here provide private health insurance gap coverage.
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Post by lunchstealer » Today, 12:42

Mo wrote:
Today, 05:20
Related to my comment on the other thread regarding kids' fevers, I feel like all the horror stories you would read in libertarian/conservative publications about the horrors of NHS and socialized health care are bullshit. Granted, I haven't tried to get a hip replacement, but for all of the health stuff I or my family has needed, I've seen no difference in wait times between here and the US. Granted, I have private health insurance, but most big employers here provide private health insurance gap coverage.
So what doesn't NHS cover that gets covered by the gap coverage?
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Post by JasonL » Today, 13:00

My understanding from my more healthcare obsessed days is that about 10% (float between say 8% and 12%) of UK residents are covered by private insurance, that such coverage is 99% corporate benefits, and that it is employed primarily to ameliorate dissatisfaction with services the NHS won't cover or wait times in the NHS model. There was a bit of hubbub a while back about NHS having to subcontract private providers to take spillover from public providers.

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Post by Mo » Today, 13:01

My understanding is it lets you jump the queue, choose your surgeon/hospital, and allows you to get uncovered care/treatments like specialized sports medicine or treatments deemed too expensive by NHS. Also, it gives you access to private medical care and private hospital rooms (basically covers the cost difference between NHS and private).

It shows the complete lack of understanding on the left and right. Even under a government provided care model like the UK, there is still space for private care and insurance. Yeah there are bad stories that come out of here due to corner cases, but that's basically true in every medical system. This doesn't take into account any R&D free riding the UK and other socialized health care countries take advantage of, but it's hardly the socialist hellscape that's advertised back home.
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Post by Kwix » 10 minutes ago

Mo wrote:
Today, 05:20
Granted, I haven't tried to get a hip replacement, but for all of the health stuff I or my family has needed, I've seen no difference in wait times between here and the US. Granted, I have private health insurance, but most big employers here provide private health insurance gap coverage.

My understanding is it lets you jump the queue, choose your surgeon/hospital, and allows you to get uncovered care/treatments like specialized sports medicine or treatments deemed too expensive by NHS.
Am I missing something here or did you just say that "being part of the 10% that has private insurance I'm not the 90% that likely sees wait time differences"?
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Post by Pham Nuwen » 2 minutes ago

Kwix wrote:
10 minutes ago
Mo wrote:
Today, 05:20
Granted, I haven't tried to get a hip replacement, but for all of the health stuff I or my family has needed, I've seen no difference in wait times between here and the US. Granted, I have private health insurance, but most big employers here provide private health insurance gap coverage.

My understanding is it lets you jump the queue, choose your surgeon/hospital, and allows you to get uncovered care/treatments like specialized sports medicine or treatments deemed too expensive by NHS.
Am I missing something here or did you just say that "being part of the 10% that has private insurance I'm not the 90% that likely sees wait time differences"?
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