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Post by JasonL » 21 Sep 2017, 11:08

The thing is though - they don't really mean everyone gets everything forever. They mean if the government says it won't be paid for that's okay.

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Post by Mo » 21 Sep 2017, 11:37

Part of me wants to side with Cassidy over Kimmel on the stupid Jimmy Kimmel test, except that the Jimmy Kimmel test was Bill Cassidy's own fucking idea. If you're going to make up a stupid fucking 'test' to appear reasonable to the rubes, don't get mad when you get called out for failing it.
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Post by Shem » 21 Sep 2017, 11:38

JasonL wrote:
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Work laptop blocks twitter and I get "Loading tweet". Personal phone using tapatalk presents the image of the tweet in question but click through to context threads gets me "page does not exist".
I usually have to refresh the page on a tweet in order to get it to load. It's a mobile device thing.
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Post by dhex » 21 Sep 2017, 11:47

Mo wrote:
21 Sep 2017, 11:37
Part of me wants to side with Cassidy over Kimmel on the stupid Jimmy Kimmel test, except that the Jimmy Kimmel test was Bill Cassidy's own fucking idea. If you're going to make up a stupid fucking 'test' to appear reasonable to the rubes, don't get mad when you get called out for failing it.
making promises on tv to tv people that you have no real expectation to hold to is hella dumb.
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Post by Mo » 21 Sep 2017, 12:00

dhex wrote:
21 Sep 2017, 11:47
Mo wrote:
21 Sep 2017, 11:37
Part of me wants to side with Cassidy over Kimmel on the stupid Jimmy Kimmel test, except that the Jimmy Kimmel test was Bill Cassidy's own fucking idea. If you're going to make up a stupid fucking 'test' to appear reasonable to the rubes, don't get mad when you get called out for failing it.
making promises on tv to tv people that you have no real expectation to hold to is hella dumb.
He was relying on the "It's rude to call someone you were nice to a liar on TV" norm. Just like Brian Kilmeade didn't expect Kimmel to break the "don't call out someone's schtick" norm. And "kisses my ass like a little boy meeting Batman" is a hell of a turn of the phrase.
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Post by thoreau » 21 Sep 2017, 12:04

I don't think that health care legislation should be vetted by the host of a late night talk show, but I also don't think it should be signed by the star of Celebrity Apprentice. Yet here we are.

Has anyone gotten Gene Simmons' take on the proposed legislation? Maybe we should see if any Spice Girls want to weigh in.
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Post by JasonL » 21 Sep 2017, 12:10

Kimmel making a run at Comedian Laureate, our most important public office.

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Post by thoreau » 21 Sep 2017, 12:15

JasonL wrote:
21 Sep 2017, 12:10
Kimmel making a run at Comedian Laureate, our most important public office.
Senator Kid Rock will be there to provide checks and balances.
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Post by Fin Fang Foom » 21 Sep 2017, 12:25

The HUAC hearing were 70 years ago Reagan was elected a little less than 37 years ago. Schwarzenegger was governor of California. The host of the Apprentice is President. Bill Maher hasn't been tortured to death. Arguing to keep showbiz and politics separate is, at this point, a dumb thing.
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Post by Kolohe » 21 Sep 2017, 14:32

Emperor Commodus did gladiator shows, and that was like 1900 years ago.
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Post by Fin Fang Foom » 21 Sep 2017, 14:37

Commodus was also a god.
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Post by Kolohe » 21 Sep 2017, 14:41

when you wake up as the queen of the n=1 kingdom and mount your steed non sequiturius, do you look out upon all you survey and think “damn, it feels good to be a green idea sleeping furiously?" - dhex

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Post by Fin Fang Foom » 21 Sep 2017, 14:46

The Donald subreddit is not the Roman Senate.
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Post by Mo » 21 Sep 2017, 15:16

Yet.
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Post by Mo » 22 Sep 2017, 18:00

Live shot of Mitch McConnell's office.

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Post by Mo » 08 Oct 2017, 09:04

I find the contraception issue to be way overwrought by both sides. One thing that strikes me as crazy is that the Trump administration now says that publicly traded companies can have religious beliefs. I can see this applied to private, closely held companies. But what the fuck are the religious beliefs of a company with literally thousands of owners, where the biggest owners are funds owned by millions of people?
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Post by Sandy » 08 Oct 2017, 13:14

One question: can these companies deny coverage of BC pills prescribed by doctors? Regardless of the reason for the prescription?
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Post by Highway » 08 Oct 2017, 14:08

Sandy wrote:
08 Oct 2017, 13:14
One question: can these companies deny coverage of BC pills prescribed by doctors? Regardless of the reason for the prescription?
I believe the answer is yes, which is one of the confounding factors of the whole situation.
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Post by Jennifer » 08 Oct 2017, 16:49

There are people to this day who believe (or pretend to believe) that Sandra Fluke went before Congress to say "I wanna fuck like a bunny at taxpayer expense," when in reality she was talking about treating ovarian cysts which have fuck-all to do with their owner's sex life or lack thereof. The anti-BC attitude is very much like that of the hardcore drug warriors who believe (or pretend to believe) that entire classes of drugs have only recreational value, no legitimate medical uses at all.
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Post by Sandy » 08 Oct 2017, 17:20

There's a weird resistance to pointing that out on the pro side, presumably so they can't be flanked by making them only legal/covered for medical uses besides preventing pregnancy in otherwise healthy women.
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Post by Highway » 08 Oct 2017, 17:52

Sandy wrote:
08 Oct 2017, 17:20
There's a weird resistance to pointing that out on the pro side, presumably so they can't be flanked by making them only legal/covered for medical uses besides preventing pregnancy in otherwise healthy women.
The main problem is that that's still not acceptable to the anti-contraception folks, pretty much in the same way that abortions for the purpose of preventing the death of the mother are not acceptable to many of them. Women on birth control for hormone regulation still get the "benefit" of greatly reduced chance of pregnancy. And it's hard to say that someone "needs" them, even though they can significantly improve quality of life.
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Post by thoreau » 08 Oct 2017, 18:18

And if prevention of pregnancy in healthy women was no longer a covered use of the medicine, questionable diagnoses of conditions that can be ameliorated with BC would skyrocket, and everyone would know what's going on.

There's really no way to define this issue away or side-step it with a trick. Everyone knows what most (though of course not all) BC prescriptions are for, and you're either fine with that or you aren't. (I'm fine with it, in case that wasn't clear.)

Even if BC became non-prescription (which I would support) and production were less regulated so the pills were cheaper (which I would also support, with some provisos for quality control and purity in manufacturing processes), there would still be plenty of women who would be well-advised to consult with a doctor before selecting a particular contraceptive pill (since different pills work better for different women, and some women experience more substantial side effects than others) and there would be a debate over whether doctor visits for those purposes get covered.

Ultimately, there's no getting around the fact that some people do not want to pay insurance premiums that go into a pool that some people draw upon for anything related to preventing pregnancy. That's the issue. I think they're being dumb, but we can't define their objections away.
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Post by lunchstealer » 08 Oct 2017, 18:32

Ultimately I think the whole thing would be moot if O-care had just let employers use pre-tax withholdings for employees buying off the exchanges, and then let employers who want to opt out just make their employees go to the exchanges instead of getting it through an employer pool. The employer mandate was always just super dumb.
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Post by Fin Fang Foom » 08 Oct 2017, 19:57

Saying corporations can have effectively have religious beliefs is the dumbest shit ever. Someone needs to plant terabytes of child porn on Gorsuch's computer.
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Post by Warren » 08 Oct 2017, 20:16

Fin Fang Foom wrote:
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Saying corporations can have effectively have religious beliefs is the dumbest shit ever. Someone needs to plant terabytes of child porn on Gorsuch's computer.
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