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Re: Setec Astronomy

Post by Jadagul » 17 Oct 2017, 02:10

Sandy wrote:
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Jadagul wrote:I'm really confused about why MS was able to get a patch out already, and Google is expecting to take most of a month.
Because it's a flaw in the spec, not the implementation, and MS is historically extremely OK rolling out implementations that don't conform to the spec.
So what, MS rolled out a fix that breaks the spec, and google etc are taking longer because they want fixes that conform to the spec?

(I did see that the reason Google/Linux is so much more vulnerable is that they took a throwaway comment in the spec seriously and implemented it).

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Re: Setec Astronomy

Post by Sandy » 17 Oct 2017, 03:25

Jadagul wrote:
Sandy wrote:
17 Oct 2017, 02:07
Jadagul wrote:I'm really confused about why MS was able to get a patch out already, and Google is expecting to take most of a month.
Because it's a flaw in the spec, not the implementation, and MS is historically extremely OK rolling out implementations that don't conform to the spec.
So what, MS rolled out a fix that breaks the spec, and google etc are taking longer because they want fixes that conform to the spec?
Pretty much. Microsoft is light years better than they were in the "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish" 90s, but they are less enthusiastic about standards than the other players, with the occasional exception of Apple.

The other question is how well they tested the fix against router implementations. It may be they all use a couple of different chipsets and once you confirm it still works with them and defeats the attack, you're golden. But I don't know much about that or where the implementation is coded on the router side.

Another unknown is, when the standard is updated, whether it breaks MS's implementation...or whether they adopt MS's fix, or whether MS will be out of spec but still compatible in practice...and whether that will affect anything later.

Of course, this may just be the death knell for WPA2 like WEP before it, so there won't be any more spec revisions past a quick fix for this.

It's possible all my concerns are moot. MS is much more amenable these days, and I'm definitely not saying what they did was wrong, practically speaking. They just have that tendency left over from the bad old days.
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Re: Setec Astronomy

Post by Mo » 20 Oct 2017, 00:01

Sandy wrote:
17 Oct 2017, 03:25
Jadagul wrote:
Sandy wrote:
17 Oct 2017, 02:07
Jadagul wrote:I'm really confused about why MS was able to get a patch out already, and Google is expecting to take most of a month.
Because it's a flaw in the spec, not the implementation, and MS is historically extremely OK rolling out implementations that don't conform to the spec.
So what, MS rolled out a fix that breaks the spec, and google etc are taking longer because they want fixes that conform to the spec?
Pretty much. Microsoft is light years better than they were in the "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish" 90s, but they are less enthusiastic about standards than the other players, with the occasional exception of Apple.

The other question is how well they tested the fix against router implementations. It may be they all use a couple of different chipsets and once you confirm it still works with them and defeats the attack, you're golden. But I don't know much about that or where the implementation is coded on the router side.

Another unknown is, when the standard is updated, whether it breaks MS's implementation...or whether they adopt MS's fix, or whether MS will be out of spec but still compatible in practice...and whether that will affect anything later.

Of course, this may just be the death knell for WPA2 like WEP before it, so there won't be any more spec revisions past a quick fix for this.

It's possible all my concerns are moot. MS is much more amenable these days, and I'm definitely not saying what they did was wrong, practically speaking. They just have that tendency left over from the bad old days.
Didn't a lot of router companies have a lot of fixes shortly after the announcement? My understanding was the academic gave the industry a heads up and there was time between the discovery and it becoming public to develop a fix.
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Re: Setec Astronomy

Post by Jadagul » 20 Oct 2017, 00:40

No.

Some people had fixes out. Microsoft patched before the reveal, and BSD did as well. I think the core linux app was patched by the reveal as well---it's patched now.

But most of the router companies haven't issued patches, and neither have android or ios. There's a few lists going around like this one: http://www.zdnet.com/article/here-is-ev ... right-now/

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Re: Setec Astronomy

Post by Mo » 14 Nov 2017, 16:40

Julian Assange seems awfully butthurt about selective leaking of his private information.

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Post by JasonL » 14 Nov 2017, 16:53

ahahaaa

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Post by thoreau » 14 Nov 2017, 17:46

I'd have a lot more sympathy for Assange if he were an equal-opportunity leaker of any and all public sector secrets, not a guy coordinating his activities with a Presidential campaign.
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Re: Setec Astronomy

Post by Eric the .5b » 14 Nov 2017, 18:26

I'd be amused more at Assange's twisting if Blues weren't trying to paint anyone who ever leaked anything, criticized the last adminstration about the contents of those leaks,, or were otherwise "disloyal" to Obama as Russian agents.
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Re: Setec Astronomy

Post by Warren » 16 Nov 2017, 17:14

I call for the a-pox-alypse
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Re: Setec Astronomy

Post by Mo » 30 Nov 2017, 14:42

With all of the leaks of classified information and assets through contractors, I'm sure that there's absolutely no downside to this. Oh, and it's yet another company randomly headquartered in Whitefish, MT. Is that town some sort of cosmic nexus of awfulness?

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Re: Setec Astronomy

Post by lunchstealer » 30 Nov 2017, 18:02

Mo wrote:
30 Nov 2017, 14:42
With all of the leaks of classified information and assets through contractors, I'm sure that there's absolutely no downside to this. Oh, and it's yet another company randomly headquartered in Whitefish, MT. Is that town some sort of cosmic nexus of awfulness?

https://www.buzzfeed.com/aramroston/tru ... -rendition
It's also where Richard Spencer is from, and had some crazy shit go down with white supremacists making threats against its (sizable by ~6000ish population towns) Jewish population.

So there's definitely some WTF going on there.
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Re: Setec Astronomy

Post by Aresen » 30 Nov 2017, 18:34

Nice skiing in Whitefish.

Lots of white powder. ;)
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Re: Setec Astronomy

Post by Kolohe » 11 Jan 2018, 09:15

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Re: Setec Astronomy

Post by Kolohe » 11 Jan 2018, 10:12



uh, everything is under control. Situation normal. But, uh, everything's perfectly all right now. We're fine. We're all fine here, now, thank you. How are you?
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Re: Setec Astronomy

Post by Sandy » 11 Jan 2018, 11:02

I think it's better in the original German:

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Re: Setec Astronomy

Post by Painboy » 11 Feb 2018, 14:13

It looks like Obama did spy on Trump, just as he apparently did to me
According to media reports this week, the FBI did indeed “wiretap” the former head of Trump’s campaign, Paul Manafort, both before and after Trump was elected. If Trump officials — or Trump himself — communicated with Manafort during the wiretaps, they would have been recorded, too.

But we’re missing the bigger story.

If these reports are accurate, it means U.S. intelligence agencies secretly surveilled at least a half dozen Trump associates. And those are just the ones we know about.

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Re: Setec Astronomy

Post by Mo » 11 Feb 2018, 19:44

Painboy wrote:
11 Feb 2018, 14:13
It looks like Obama did spy on Trump, just as he apparently did to me
According to media reports this week, the FBI did indeed “wiretap” the former head of Trump’s campaign, Paul Manafort, both before and after Trump was elected. If Trump officials — or Trump himself — communicated with Manafort during the wiretaps, they would have been recorded, too.

But we’re missing the bigger story.

If these reports are accurate, it means U.S. intelligence agencies secretly surveilled at least a half dozen Trump associates. And those are just the ones we know about.
Similar to Julian Sanchez's comments on the Nunes memo, linking the wiretapping of Manafort, which based on the public evidence seems legit*, to wider wiretap abuse makes those worried about the latter look less legitimate. Also, IIRC, Manafort was out of the campaign by the time he was being monitored by intelligence agencies.

* A similar case is that Flynn's calls to the Russian Ambassador were tapped. Gee, the Russian ambassador is being monitored by our intelligence agencies? Quelle surprise.
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Re: Setec Astronomy

Post by Kwix » 28 Mar 2018, 13:10

Apparently the FBI did drag it's feet in the Farook case in an attempt to set precedence.

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Re: Setec Astronomy

Post by Kolohe » 21 Apr 2018, 22:43

this is 1) extremely odd and 2) just down the street from where I live. (I pass by this corner if I walk to the nearest Metrorail stop)
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Re: Setec Astronomy

Post by Aresen » 21 Apr 2018, 22:51

Kolohe wrote:
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this is 1) extremely odd and 2) just down the street from where I live. (I pass by this corner if I walk to the nearest Metrorail stop)
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Re: Setec Astronomy

Post by dead_elvis » Yesterday, 13:44

Ever feel like you're just a puppet on a string?

Washington State Fusion Center accidentally releases records on remote mind control
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It's probably misinformation though. OR IS THAT WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO THINK
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It’s entirely unclear how this ended up in this release. It could have been meant for another release, it could have been gathered for an upcoming WSFC report, or it could even be from the personal files of an intelligence officer that somehow got mixed up in the release. A call to the WSFC went unreturned as of press time, so until we hear back, their presence remains a mystery.
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Post by Eric the .5b » Yesterday, 16:24

Expect this to be cited by every Targeted Individual and HAARP nutcase.
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Re: Setec Astronomy

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This makes me miss Art Bell.

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