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Re: Setec Astronomy

Post by Hugh Akston » 05 Oct 2018, 00:51

Apple and Amazon both have pretty detailed denials of the particulars in the Bloomberg story, and this article is full of hardware bliz-blaz about how it can't be true.
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Re: Setec Astronomy

Post by Mo » 06 Oct 2018, 11:56

The outright and vocal denials makes me think that Bloomberg has it wrong. If it can out Apple and Amazon we’re lying they could get into deep SEC doo doo.
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Re: Setec Astronomy

Post by JD » 08 Oct 2018, 11:48

Some people have pointed out that Apple's and Amazon's denials are kind of specific, and it's also possible they've been asked to deny things. Other people have said that the specifics of Bloomberg's report may be wrong, but the general idea may be right. (Given the usual quality of reporting on technology, that would not surprise me either.)
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Re: Setec Astronomy

Post by Aresen » 08 Oct 2018, 13:00

Mo wrote:
06 Oct 2018, 11:56
The outright and vocal denials makes me think that Bloomberg has it wrong. If it can out Apple and Amazon we’re lying they could get into deep SEC doo doo.
Deeper than the doo doo the NSA would put them in?
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Re: Setec Astronomy

Post by Mo » 09 Oct 2018, 06:10

Aresen wrote:
08 Oct 2018, 13:00
Mo wrote:
06 Oct 2018, 11:56
The outright and vocal denials makes me think that Bloomberg has it wrong. If it can out Apple and Amazon we’re lying they could get into deep SEC doo doo.
Deeper than the doo doo the NSA would put them in?
Seeing as the denial includes a denial that they were told to be quiet, probably. If the NSA told them to keep quiet, they would issue some, "neither confirm nor deny" message.
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Re: Setec Astronomy

Post by JD » 09 Oct 2018, 09:56

Mo wrote:
09 Oct 2018, 06:10
Aresen wrote:
08 Oct 2018, 13:00
Mo wrote:
06 Oct 2018, 11:56
The outright and vocal denials makes me think that Bloomberg has it wrong. If it can out Apple and Amazon we’re lying they could get into deep SEC doo doo.
Deeper than the doo doo the NSA would put them in?
Seeing as the denial includes a denial that they were told to be quiet, probably. If the NSA told them to keep quiet, they would issue some, "neither confirm nor deny" message.
Ah, but "we can neither confirm nor deny" is going to freak people out. And the TLAs can most certainly get a court order that forbids the recipient from disclosing the existence of the court order.
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Re: Setec Astronomy

Post by Mo » 09 Oct 2018, 10:32

One of the named sources now casts doubt on it.

https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/10 ... s-veracity
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Re: Setec Astronomy

Post by Jadagul » 09 Oct 2018, 15:36

JD wrote:
09 Oct 2018, 09:56
Mo wrote:
09 Oct 2018, 06:10
Aresen wrote:
08 Oct 2018, 13:00
Mo wrote:
06 Oct 2018, 11:56
The outright and vocal denials makes me think that Bloomberg has it wrong. If it can out Apple and Amazon we’re lying they could get into deep SEC doo doo.
Deeper than the doo doo the NSA would put them in?
Seeing as the denial includes a denial that they were told to be quiet, probably. If the NSA told them to keep quiet, they would issue some, "neither confirm nor deny" message.
Ah, but "we can neither confirm nor deny" is going to freak people out. And the TLAs can most certainly get a court order that forbids the recipient from disclosing the existence of the court order.
As I understand it, the NSA et al. can't force corporations to make a statement, because that would be compelled speech.

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Re: Setec Astronomy

Post by Hugh Akston » 21 Dec 2018, 00:41

"Alexa, what are my neighbors up to?"
Germany’s c’t magazine reports that in August the Amazon user—exercising his rights under the EU’s General Data Protection Regulation—requested his own data that Amazon has stored. Two months later, Amazon sent him a downloadable 100Mb zip file.

Some of the files reportedly related to his Amazon searches. But according to the report there were also hundreds of Wav files and a PDF cataloging transcripts of Alexa’s interpretations of voice commands. According to c’t magazine, this was peculiar to this user because he doesn’t own any Alexa devices and had never used the service. He also didn’t recognize the voices in the files.

The user reported the matter to Amazon and asked for information. He reportedly didn’t receive a response, but soon found that the link to the data was dead. However, he had already saved the files, and he shared his experience with c’t magazine out of concern that the person whose privacy had been compromised was not told about the mistake.

C’t magazine listened to many of the files and was able “to piece together a detailed picture of the customer concerned and his personal habits.” It found that he used Alexa in various places, has an Echo at home, and has a Fire device on his TV. They noticed that a woman was around at times. They listened to him in the shower.
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Re: Setec Astronomy

Post by Mo » 18 Feb 2019, 08:50

I suspect the Brits feel they can mitigate malicious Chinese hacking of Chinese telecom equipment because they've spent years keeping out malicious spying code from gear from US manufacturers.
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