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Post by Shem » 11 Oct 2017, 23:18

as opposed to being canned-ravioli-type stuff which I generally don't like to eat under ordinary circumstances, which means when hurricane season ends I either force myself to eat stuff I don't really want, or throw the cans away after they've expired and become annoyed by the waste
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Post by Eric the .5b » 11 Oct 2017, 23:24

Shem wrote:
11 Oct 2017, 23:18
as opposed to being canned-ravioli-type stuff which I generally don't like to eat under ordinary circumstances, which means when hurricane season ends I either force myself to eat stuff I don't really want, or throw the cans away after they've expired and become annoyed by the waste
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Re: Observations of the Random sort

Post by dbcooper » 12 Oct 2017, 00:39

Slip inside a sleeping bag.

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Re: Observations of the Random sort

Post by lunchstealer » 12 Oct 2017, 12:47

Jennifer wrote:
11 Oct 2017, 20:48
Eric the .5b wrote:
11 Oct 2017, 20:34
So, I was trying some Mountain House pouches out for lunch to scope them out for my emergency food supply, and I noticed that the "best by" dates were months in 2046 and 2047.

Confronted with a foodstuff that could well outlast me, I proceeded to prove some futile mastery over it by reconstituting and consuming it.

(Not great, but pleasant processed food. I didn't even have any problems with bits that didn't fully reconstitute.)
Are those the kind that require the addition of hot water, or the equivalent of MREs with their own built-in chemical heating elements? I was kinda-sorta toying with the idea of getting some Mountain House or similar stuff for hurricane/emergency supplies (as opposed to being canned-ravioli-type stuff which I generally don't like to eat under ordinary circumstances, which means when hurricane season ends I either force myself to eat stuff I don't really want, or throw the cans away after they've expired and become annoyed by the waste). Oroblem was, the MH stuff I saw required the addition of boiling water, and if I'm in an emergency situation where I'm reduced to eating stuff like canned ravioli or canned chicken-and-dumplings, that means I don't have power (and might evn lack clean running water), in which case boiling water clearly won't be an option.

(My emergency-cooking makeshift I used for that week I lacked heat or electricity after the Halloween blizzard in Connecticut was, dump canned heat-n-serve into a disposable aluminum chafing dish, then heat on a Sterno stove fueled by a generic-brand can of ethanol gel of the sort used to heat chafing dishes. The Sterno setup provides sufficient heat for canned food, but NOT enough to actually boil water.)
I've been pondering this. The use of hot water may not be a problem if you're in a boil-before-use situation, and have a gas range. In most emergencies, the gas comes back first, as its pipes are buried and its above-ground distribution/infrastructure is already hardened just to prevent leaks. You've only got to get power back to the relatively centralized distribution hubs, which are going to be high priority points anyway. I know after Hugo we had gas immediately*, and the only other thing we got back quickly was water pressure, and even that had a boil-before-use warning. So if you've got a gas range, freeze-dried food becomes even more useful. The only case where you're likely to really lose gas for an extended period is an earthquake, so I'd only REALLY worry about that if I were close to the Pacific coast. There's a small chance of ones causing real damage on the East Coast and in the Missouri valley, but the frequency of those events is very low.

If you don't have that, but have an outdoor space in which you can use a grill, you can get a propane grill that has a separate burner on the side. It's good for burgers and other meatening when it's warm out and you don't want to dump cooking heat into your house, and also delicious (as long as you're not a charcoal purist) so it's not a wasted investment. As long as you always keep a second tank of propane, one in the grill and one on deck, you're always going to have enough to run the gas burner for a good long while - probably enough for three meals a day and some reasonable amount of boil-to-sanitize water, although a high-ish capacity gravity-fed water filter may be a better plan just for convenience, and to save on gas (note: Brita filters don't remove biologicals, so you need to go with something higher grade). Obvs if you have the chance to pre-store clean water that's your best bet because storage is no big deal. A collapsible 5 gallon water jug for camping is <$10. They store very easily, and you can get the capacity to store 50 gallons of clean drinking water for the cost of a lot of your good gravity-feed water filters. It's the easiest solution if you've got 30 minutes notice before the event, which is pretty much everything except tornadoes and earthquakes.

My problem nowadays is that my camp stove is gasoline-based. That's a problem because it means that the fuel isn't really long-term stable. Further, it doesn't really work with auto gasoline, which produces too many toxic nasties to be really safe, meaning you need to use store-bought camp stove fuel - Coleman fuel works just fine, but guess what's gonna fly off the shelves fast before a hurricane? So if I didn't have a gas grill, I'd probably want to switch to one of the canister propane or butane camp stoves, where you can purchase enough fuel for boiling x amount of water if you need to do that, plus how ever much you need for cooking.

*although we only had a gas furnace and hot water heater, so the only thing we could take advantage of with no electricity and a boil warning on the water supply was hot showers, but that's a helluva luxury when you don't have any AC, TV, electric light for reading at night, etc.
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Re: Observations of the Random sort

Post by Andrew » 12 Oct 2017, 13:15

Isobutane/propane mix canisters are cheap. Buy a dozen 16 oz. MSR IsoPure canisters and a MSR stove, and you're set.

Also, all the freeze-dried stuff can be reconstituted with room temp water. It just takes a while. Many hikers who go stoveless do this: dump into a waterproof container around noon, add water, and after 6 hours of soaking and jostling, it'll be ready to eat.
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Post by Warren » 15 Oct 2017, 16:06

Eric the .5b wrote:
11 Oct 2017, 23:01
Andrew wrote:
11 Oct 2017, 21:21
Mountain House and Backpacker's Pantry are both surprisingly good. Not gourmet cuisine by a long shot, but for an emergency/hiking hot meal by just adding water, they are a long way from the freeze-dried foods of 10 or 20 years ago.
Well, they could be pretty similar to the better freeze-dried foods of decades past. :D



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Post by Kolohe » 17 Oct 2017, 08:08

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/comp ... n-1.446022

at least it wasn't the 'sexy' version.
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Post by lunchstealer » 17 Oct 2017, 12:39

Related:

Used to do pub trivia at the local Colorado-based-Alabama-style-barbecue-and-bowling-restaurant, as you do. One day, we got a question, "Give the full, seven-word name of the book that chronicles the life of a young Jewish girl and her family as they hide in Nazi-occupied Holland."

Seven word title... I tried every variation I could think of, and we just couldn't make a seven-word title out of The Diary of Ann Frank. Turns out they were looking for Anne Frank: The Diary of a Young Girl. We did get an honorable mention, though, for our proposed title, The Diary of Ann Mothah-fuckin' Frank.
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Post by Dangerman » 17 Oct 2017, 12:58

Breakfast foods are the best because they can touch each other on the plate. Some say this is powerful evidence our creation by a just and righteous God. Some say it's an example of American Exceptionalism and Manifest Destiny. But nobody can deny that getting a little ketchup on your eggs doesn't keep the potatoes from being delicious.

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Post by JasonL » 17 Oct 2017, 13:22

More to the point breakfast points the way to the put an egg on it life. Eggs improve almost everything.

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Post by Fin Fang Foom » 17 Oct 2017, 13:29

Runny yolk is the natural ketchup.
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Post by Dangerman » 17 Oct 2017, 13:36

I get a pancake with two eggs, sunny side up, and sausage patties. Butter and (real) syrup go on the cakes, then the eggs go on as well. Each bite should contain Egg+yolk+pancake, and a bit of sausage. I drink a glass of water, and have coffee afterwards.

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Post by the innominate one » 17 Oct 2017, 15:29

Fin Fang Foom wrote:
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Runny yolk is the natural ketchup.
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Post by JD » 17 Oct 2017, 18:13

Here's an "amusing" case from electronics.stackexchange.com. It can basically be summed up as "I have to deal with a four-pin connector that can be plugged in four ways (thanks to rotational symmetry), three of which are incorrect. Oh, and the power lines have 1000V on them, while the data lines are 5V. Oh, and it's intended to be used underwater, in the ocean. Oh, and it's for a government contract so I can't change the connector type."

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Post by Warren » 17 Oct 2017, 19:36

JD wrote:
17 Oct 2017, 18:13
Here's an "amusing" case from electronics.stackexchange.com. It can basically be summed up as "I have to deal with a four-pin connector that can be plugged in four ways (thanks to rotational symmetry), three of which are incorrect. Oh, and the power lines have 1000V on them, while the data lines are 5V. Oh, and it's intended to be used underwater, in the ocean. Oh, and it's for a government contract so I can't change the connector type."
I have seen literally thousands of circular multi-pin connectors. I have never seen one that isn't keyed.
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Post by the innominate one » 19 Oct 2017, 09:46

I was refueling the other day, and another customer was filling gas cans while they were sitting on his vehicle. I forced myself to overcome my normal reluctance to talk to people to point out the safety hazard, i.e. that filling gas cans in such a manner runs the risk of building up a static charge that can result in a gas fire or explosion. He was actually appreciative, and not defensive, but had never heard of such a thing, even though warnings to that effect are on all gas pumps by law. Makes me think about how to improve effectiveness of safety warnings and regulations. The risk is probably pretty low, but still, it happens. He told me that he was pumping diesel and wanted to know if the risk was still present, but I didn't know. The pump warnings said gas, not fuel. But the diesel pump handle warnings did include an exhortation to avoid static buildup.
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Post by Warren » 19 Oct 2017, 09:52

the innominate one wrote:
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Makes me think about how to improve effectiveness of safety warnings and regulations.
The first thing is to make far fewer of them. Everyone routinely ignores them because they're ubiquitous and overwrought.
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Post by the innominate one » 19 Oct 2017, 10:00

Not only fewer warnings, but less visual clutter where attention to safety warnings is necessary. But then you're telling retailers to remove advertisements. That's not going to go over well.
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Post by lunchstealer » 19 Oct 2017, 13:33

Diesel doesn't vaporize the way gasoline does, so a spark near an open container won't ignite a mixture of fuel vapor and air/oxygen the way it would if you were filling with gasoline. I know kerosine is actually pretty difficult to ignite unless it's got a wick or some other mechanical aid. Supposedly you can throw a match in a bucket of kerosine and the match will just go out. IIRC Diesel is the same way.

I have not tested this nor bothered to google to see if I'm correct.
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Post by the innominate one » 19 Oct 2017, 14:02

http://www.americanagriculturist.com/st ... s-9-102231
You've made the switch to ultra-low-sulfur diesel fuel. And because of it, your diesel-powered tractors and trucks are burning clean fuel. But there's one change you may not have made yet regarding ULSD fuel.

ULSD fuel poses a greater static ignition hazard than earlier diesel formulations, says Gail Lapierre, AgrAbility Project outreach specialist for University of Vermont Extension. That means an increased risk of fire or explosion if your fuel supply tank, transfer pump, transfer hose, nozzle and other components aren't properly grounded and bonded.

Refineries have added a static-dissipating additive. But its effectiveness is reduced over time and by passing through filters as it makes its way to your fuel storage tank, points out Lapierre. Static charges can build up as the fuel flows though the fuel delivery system.

While diesel fuel isn't as combustible as gasoline, it's nearly so. When static electricity discharge occurs with combustible vapors present, a fire or explosion may result while you're fueling your vehicle or equipment.
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Post by lunchstealer » 19 Oct 2017, 14:14

Ah. My information was based on WWII formulations. The whole thing about gas-powered Shermans going up like Zippos while diesel-powered tanks often gave their crews more time to escape.
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Post by the innominate one » 19 Oct 2017, 15:38

Gasoline has a flash point of -45 deg C, but flashpoints for various diesel formulations according to various sources range from 52 to 130 deg C. Much safer than gasoline, but not without hazard. American Petroleum Institute rates diesel and kerosene as high static accumulators.

On further thought, vapor ignition risk due in California is probably lowered for both diesel and gas by the presence of vapor blockers on pump nozzles.
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Post by dead_elvis » 21 Oct 2017, 15:03

Saw this bumper sticker yesterday and realized you could also read it as "we are alone" with a typo. Turns a message of peace and hope into bleakness, as one does. The Spell Binder would be proud.
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Post by the innominate one » 21 Oct 2017, 15:47

The Spell Binder seems a bit racist.
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