We can win the war in Vietnam!

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Re: We can win the war in Vietnam!

Post by thoreau » 08 Sep 2019, 12:52

Actually, I see an even easier way to end the war:

At this point most people in the military are Millennials or Generation Z, so just declare that All Forces Are Special. And then, by definition, there are no boots on the ground!
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Re: We can win the war in Vietnam!

Post by Hugh Akston » 08 Sep 2019, 13:01

Since it was Donald Trump making the claim that these talks were scheduled but then cancelled, the first response should be to question whether they were ever really scheduled in the first place.
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Re: We can win the war in Vietnam!

Post by thoreau » 08 Sep 2019, 13:25

Hugh Akston wrote:
08 Sep 2019, 13:01
Since it was Donald Trump making the claim that these talks were scheduled but then cancelled, the first response should be to question whether they were ever really scheduled in the first place.
Right, but most critics skipped that part and said that the talks should never ever be scheduled. And on that point they are 100% wrong.
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Re: We can win the war in Vietnam!

Post by Hugh Akston » 08 Sep 2019, 14:08

thoreau wrote:
08 Sep 2019, 13:25
Hugh Akston wrote:
08 Sep 2019, 13:01
Since it was Donald Trump making the claim that these talks were scheduled but then cancelled, the first response should be to question whether they were ever really scheduled in the first place.
Right, but most critics skipped that part and said that the talks should never ever be scheduled. And on that point they are 100% wrong.
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Re: We can win the war in Vietnam!

Post by Eric the .5b » 08 Sep 2019, 17:56

thoreau wrote:
08 Sep 2019, 13:25
Hugh Akston wrote:
08 Sep 2019, 13:01
Since it was Donald Trump making the claim that these talks were scheduled but then cancelled, the first response should be to question whether they were ever really scheduled in the first place.
Right, but most critics skipped that part and said that the talks should never ever be scheduled. And on that point they are 100% wrong.
I think some of it is that, a few years back, Trump attacked Obama for trying to negotiate with the Taliban.
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Re: We can win the war in Vietnam!

Post by thoreau » 08 Sep 2019, 18:08

If they want to attack Trump for being a massive hypocrite and mentally unstable, well, hey, it's a day ending in y. Have at it.

If they want to seriously stake out the stance that we should never negotiate with the Taliban, I have some bad news for them: Pashtun tribal chiefs will outlast the US. And they will always be better than us when it comes to mountain warfare.
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Re: We can win the war in Vietnam!

Post by Jennifer » 08 Sep 2019, 19:49

Eric the .5b wrote:
08 Sep 2019, 17:56
thoreau wrote:
08 Sep 2019, 13:25
Hugh Akston wrote:
08 Sep 2019, 13:01
Since it was Donald Trump making the claim that these talks were scheduled but then cancelled, the first response should be to question whether they were ever really scheduled in the first place.
Right, but most critics skipped that part and said that the talks should never ever be scheduled. And on that point they are 100% wrong.
I think some of it is that, a few years back, Trump attacked Obama for trying to negotiate with the Taliban.
Specifically, he criticized Obama for talking with the Taliban while slashing the US military budget. And fast forward to 2019 ....

Anonymous wrote: Weird how Trump is cutting military budgets to fund his border wall. He’s doing everything he blamed Obama for. Welcome to 2019. But is this peak 2019?
Trump in 2012 wrote: While @BarackObama is slashing the military, he is also negotiating with our sworn enemy the Taliban--who facilitated 9/11.
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Re: We can win the war in Vietnam!

Post by Highway » 08 Sep 2019, 20:00

The criticisms I read were less the "negotiating with the Taliban" ones and more the "Trump (administration) secretly invited the Taliban to the US right before 9/11" ones.
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Re: We can win the war in Vietnam!

Post by Aresen » 13 Sep 2019, 22:07

For once, I agree with Elizabeth Warren:

(It's Vox, beware)

Headline:
The Democratic candidates’ debate answers on Afghanistan were terrible
Subhead:
If 2020 Democrats want to leave Afghanistan, they need to come up with a real plan.
At the Democratic presidential debate on Thursday, the 2020 presidential candidates argued over the nitty-gritty details of policy proposals on everything from health care to gun policy to immigration and criminal justice reform.

But when it came to what to do about the war in Afghanistan, the candidates were devoid of ideas about what to do beyond “get out, and get out fast.”

Indeed, it seems like they’re competing to one-up each other on how quickly they’ll pull US troops out of the country. When the campaign cycle started, nearly all of the candidates were pledging to remove troops by the end of their first term. Then, it changed to bringing them home by the end of their first year in office.

On Thursday night, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) moved the goalposts even closer: promising on the debate stage to pull troops out of Afghanistan immediately, even without a peace deal in place.

“What we’re doing right now in Afghanistan is not helping the safety and security of the United States, it is not helping the safety and security of the world, it is not helping the safety and security of Afghanistan,” Warren said. “We’re not going to bomb our way to a solution in Afghanistan.”

When pressed by the moderator on whether she’d listen to her top military leaders if they advised her not to pull troops out without a deal in place, Warren pushed back, saying that when she’d talked to US generals about it in the past, they were unable to define what “winning” in Afghanistan looks like. “No one can describe it,” she said. “And the reason no one can describe it is because the problems in Afghanistan are not problems that can be solved by a military.”
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Re: We can win the war in Vietnam!

Post by Hugh Akston » 13 Sep 2019, 23:00

That would be lovely if it were even marginally plausible. But we've already seen from two subsequent administrations that there is no political cost to forever war in Afghanistan, and Elizabeth Warren of all people is not going to spend political capital on foreign policy nor let the inevitable bloody collapse of a post-US Afghanistan distract from her many plans for how we live our lives.
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Re: We can win the war in Vietnam!

Post by Aresen » 13 Sep 2019, 23:06

Hugh Akston wrote:
13 Sep 2019, 23:00
That would be lovely if it were even marginally plausible. But we've already seen from two subsequent administrations that there is no political cost to forever war in Afghanistan, and Elizabeth Warren of all people is not going to spend political capital on foreign policy nor let the inevitable bloody collapse of a post-US Afghanistan distract from her many plans for how we live our lives.
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Re: We can win the war in Vietnam!

Post by Hugh Akston » 09 Oct 2019, 12:52

In other disputed airstrike news
The strikes, on May 5, targeted more than 60 sites in Farah Province and neighboring Nimruz Province, the United Nations report said. As of last month, the United Nations Assistance Mission in Afghanistan had verified that 39 civilians were either wounded or killed in the strikes. Seventeen of those were working in the drug labs, which were primarily producing methamphetamine.

A statement from the American-led mission in Afghanistan disagreed with nearly all of the report, citing its “reliance on sources with conflicted motives” and the decision to call those killed in the bombings civilians instead of insurgents.
After the strikes, the United States military, primarily using overhead surveillance, determined that no civilians were injured or killed. In June, the United Nations sent a fact-finding mission to several of the sites and conducted interviews with 21 local people, according to its report.
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Re: We can win the war in Vietnam!

Post by Aresen » 09 Oct 2019, 13:10

Hugh Akston wrote:
09 Oct 2019, 12:52
In other disputed airstrike news
The strikes, on May 5, targeted more than 60 sites in Farah Province and neighboring Nimruz Province, the United Nations report said. As of last month, the United Nations Assistance Mission in Afghanistan had verified that 39 civilians were either wounded or killed in the strikes. Seventeen of those were working in the drug labs, which were primarily producing methamphetamine.

A statement from the American-led mission in Afghanistan disagreed with nearly all of the report, citing its “reliance on sources with conflicted motives” and the decision to call those killed in the bombings civilians instead of insurgents.
After the strikes, the United States military, primarily using overhead surveillance, determined that no civilians were injured or killed. In June, the United Nations sent a fact-finding mission to several of the sites and conducted interviews with 21 local people, according to its report.
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Re: We can win the war in Vietnam!

Post by Aresen » 05 Nov 2019, 17:06

Donald Trump offers to send the US army to Mexico in response to Mormon murders
Donald Trump has offered to send in the US army to take on Mexican drugs cartels after at least three women and six children from an American Mormon community based in northern Mexico were killed in an ambush.

Mr Trump tweeted that “the United States stands ready, willing and able to get involved and do the job quickly and effectively,” adding that “sometimes need an army to defeat an army!”

He added: “This is the time for Mexico, with the help of the United States, to wage war on the drug cartels and wipe them off the face of the earth. We merely await a call from your great new president!”
Yeah. 50 years of escalating drug war has worked out so well...
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Re: We can win the war in Vietnam!

Post by Painboy » 05 Nov 2019, 17:25

Aresen wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 17:06
Donald Trump offers to send the US army to Mexico in response to Mormon murders
Donald Trump has offered to send in the US army to take on Mexican drugs cartels after at least three women and six children from an American Mormon community based in northern Mexico were killed in an ambush.

Mr Trump tweeted that “the United States stands ready, willing and able to get involved and do the job quickly and effectively,” adding that “sometimes need an army to defeat an army!”

He added: “This is the time for Mexico, with the help of the United States, to wage war on the drug cartels and wipe them off the face of the earth. We merely await a call from your great new president!”
Yeah. 50 years of escalating drug war has worked out so well...
Clearly we just haven't escalated hard enough.

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Re: We can win the war in Vietnam!

Post by Eric the .5b » 05 Nov 2019, 19:26

Painboy wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 17:25
Aresen wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 17:06
Donald Trump offers to send the US army to Mexico in response to Mormon murders
Donald Trump has offered to send in the US army to take on Mexican drugs cartels after at least three women and six children from an American Mormon community based in northern Mexico were killed in an ambush.

Mr Trump tweeted that “the United States stands ready, willing and able to get involved and do the job quickly and effectively,” adding that “sometimes need an army to defeat an army!”

He added: “This is the time for Mexico, with the help of the United States, to wage war on the drug cartels and wipe them off the face of the earth. We merely await a call from your great new president!”
Yeah. 50 years of escalating drug war has worked out so well...
Clearly we just haven't escalated hard enough.
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Re: We can win the war in Vietnam!

Post by Warren » 05 Nov 2019, 20:07

Eric the .5b wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 19:26
Painboy wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 17:25
Aresen wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 17:06
Donald Trump offers to send the US army to Mexico in response to Mormon murders
Donald Trump has offered to send in the US army to take on Mexican drugs cartels after at least three women and six children from an American Mormon community based in northern Mexico were killed in an ambush.

Mr Trump tweeted that “the United States stands ready, willing and able to get involved and do the job quickly and effectively,” adding that “sometimes need an army to defeat an army!”

He added: “This is the time for Mexico, with the help of the United States, to wage war on the drug cartels and wipe them off the face of the earth. We merely await a call from your great new president!”
Yeah. 50 years of escalating drug war has worked out so well...
Clearly we just haven't escalated hard enough.
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Re: We can win the war in Vietnam!

Post by Kwix » Yesterday, 14:35

I just realized that it's been 18 years since the invasion of Afghanistan. This means that for the fresh, bright-eyed recruits we've always been at war with Eastasia.

I have my doubts that the doors of Janus will ever close.
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Re: We can win the war in Vietnam!

Post by Aresen » Yesterday, 14:53

Kwix wrote:
Yesterday, 14:35
I just realized that it's been 18 years since the invasion of Afghanistan. This means that for the fresh, bright-eyed recruits we've always been at war with Eastasia.

I have my doubts that the doors of Janus will ever close.
Yeah. I saw a headline a few weeks back about how there are now kids fighting in Vietnam Afghanistan who weren't even born when it started.
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Re: We can win the war in Vietnam!

Post by Number 6 » Yesterday, 15:26

Kwix wrote:
Yesterday, 14:35
I just realized that it's been 18 years since the invasion of Afghanistan. This means that for the fresh, bright-eyed recruits we've always been at war with Eastasia.

I have my doubts that the doors of Janus will ever close.
Today, I learned about the doors of Janus.
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