lunchstealer wrote: Jennifer wrote:
Highway wrote:I'm not talking about white supremacy. I'm talking about general everyday "I don't really like brown people" and "I'm not going there, there's too many black people around there" stuff. I think that's more of it, whether or not the known white supremacist groups are backing Trump. They're not the ones making up all the numbers supporting him.
Might be merely a semantic quibble, but: practically speaking, I see no difference between "I"m a white supremacist" and "I'm a white person who doesn't like brown people, but I don't think they're, like, inferior
to whites or anything." Bullshit. The only people I know of who pretend such distinctions are worth making are the white supremacists themselves, who insist that they're not white supremacists
but white nationalists
There's a big difference between white supremacists who want whites to be dominant over blacks in a Jim Crow give-up-your-seat sense, and folks who just have garden-variety well-there's-good-ones-and-they've-got-rights-but-I-just-know-most-of'm-are-lazy-and-rapey. There's a little-better-than-animals thing to white supremacists.
Regular racists rationalize their policy preferences so they are nominally even-handed but give wide latitude to cops or employers to weed out 'the bad ones' on a case-by-case basis. They don't want different rules for blacks and whites, but they're just fine with nod-and-a-wink different applications of those rules. They think of themselves as wanting equality but just think they're telling it like it is as an exception to that equality.
White supremacists want actively racist rules, and make no pretense of equality.
This is my interpretation, anyway.
From what I've seen, reading Stormfront, VNN and similar sites, almost all of its members (save for the extreme ones considered fringey even within that fringe) actively avoid the labels "racist," "bigot" and "white supremacist" -- even if they absolutely espouse what those words traditionally stand for. (See also: "I am not a 'racist'; I am a 'race realist'.
")For that matter, this is not exclusive to the race-obsessed bigots; think about all the anti-gay folks who adamantly oppose gay marriage and want anti-gay discrimination encoded into the law, yet bristle with offense at any suggestion they are anti-gay bigots
. "I am not
bigoted against gay people! I just think they're legally and morally inferior to straights and the laws should reflect their inferiority, but that's not bigotry!
" Bigots these days are still bigots, but they get damned huffy if they're labeled as such.
As for the assholes who think Trump
would be a great president because he'd ban all Muslims from the country and build a big wall
on the southern border and has the "courage" to say that only rapists and other criminals come here out of Mexico ... these people aren't even going through the pretense of saying "Yeah, well, there's some
good ones." Trump
didn't promise to "only let the good
ones in"; he's promising to keep them all
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