Jennifer wrote:I think the founding of Israel was a good idea (the horror of Nazi Germany showed that yeah, maybe it would be a good idea for there to be at least ONE country where Jews were not "the eternal outsiders") but that Jewish nation should not have been established in Palestine because the Palestinians were not the ones who perpetrated the Holocaust, so why were they the ones forced to make amends for it? The Jews should've been given land in Germany instead.
Well y'know Zionism dates to the 1890's, it wasn't originally a response to the Nazi's (apparently rather to anti-Jewish pogroms in Russia specifically as well as historical anti-Semitism throughout Europe generally), but of course the Holocaust added fuel to the Zionist fire and may have been what pushed the movement over the hump, as it were. But the goal of putting it in Palestine had long been established by then. It would have required a huge change of plans to put it anywhere else, whatever wisdom or lack thereof there may have been in any other particular location. And in truth, there was likely no good location!
There's no way to test historical counter-factuals withou double-blind studies using alternative universes, but I'm skeptical that the existence of Israel has done much if anything to buy security for Jews, and maybe has done more harm than good in that regard. But, we'll never know that for sure....
Anyway, just because it seemed
like a good idea (and you can evidently see why it did) doesn't mean it was.
Added in response to Jake's post: Well, we did take a lot of individual Jews from Nazi Germany, including an uncle of mine. But ask any
nation to give up some of its territory? There's exceptions, but the rule is it don't happen. Anyway, like I said while we cross-posted, the Zionist movement had already long made its goal a return to the Holy Land. (Though I still think it's an oversimplification to attribute this entirely to religion per se.)
Your optimism just confuses and enrages me. - Timothy