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What sort of PhD program do you think he'll enter?

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D.A. Ridgely wrote:What sort of PhD program do you think he'll enter?
Intersectional ballistics.
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Brain death is arguably a graduation requirement for certain PhD programs.
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D.A. Ridgely wrote:What sort of PhD program do you think he'll enter?
It would be less than shocking if someone is currently working on an edited volume of essays on "Race in America" that is focused on Trayvon Martin and will eventually be offered as an "honorary dissertation" to justify a posthumous PhD.

I'll draw the line at a tenured professorship, however. We already have enough brain-dead faculty who can't teach.
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thoreau wrote:I'll draw the line at a tenured professorship, however. We already have enough brain-dead faculty who can't teach.
Oh? Are you sure that the brain-dead faculty is sufficiently diverse? And does it include both the dead and the undead? I am sure there are lots of zombies, but what about vampires? How many of the disembodied? Are ghouls fairly represented? I bet you don't have any resurrected on staff.
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GinSlinger wrote:
02 Apr 2012, 16:10
thoreau wrote:My understanding was that an "affirmative defense" effectively shifts the burden of proof (in some cases, in some jurisdictions) because you are essentially granting some of the prosecution's case to them. I would like clarification from the lawyers before I stand by, clarify, or rescind anything that I have said.
This language makes clear that the law provides a true immunity and not merely an affirmative defense. The Florida legislative session law notes demonstrate the true intent behind the new law stating; "The Legislature finds that it is proper for law-abiding people to protect themselves, their families, and others from intruders and attackers without fear of prosecution or civil action for acting in defense of themselves and others". Ch. 2005-27 at 200, Laws of Florida. See Peterson v State, 983 So. 2d 27 (Fla. 1 st DCA 2008)
http://www.hessingerlaw.com/Articles/Se ... d-Law.aspx

Seems a Google search can uncover it.
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dr_g wrote:
07 May 2019, 07:13
GinSlinger wrote:
02 Apr 2012, 16:10
thoreau wrote:My understanding was that an "affirmative defense" effectively shifts the burden of proof (in some cases, in some jurisdictions) because you are essentially granting some of the prosecution's case to them. I would like clarification from the lawyers before I stand by, clarify, or rescind anything that I have said.
This language makes clear that the law provides a true immunity and not merely an affirmative defense. The Florida legislative session law notes demonstrate the true intent behind the new law stating; "The Legislature finds that it is proper for law-abiding people to protect themselves, their families, and others from intruders and attackers without fear of prosecution or civil action for acting in defense of themselves and others". Ch. 2005-27 at 200, Laws of Florida. See Peterson v State, 983 So. 2d 27 (Fla. 1 st DCA 2008)
http://www.hessingerlaw.com/Articles/Se ... d-Law.aspx

Seems a Google search can uncover it.
The source link is dead, but here is the one that opens up. - https://www.lvcriminaldefense.com/self- ... und-law-2/
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Aresen wrote:
07 May 2019, 10:10
dr_g wrote:
07 May 2019, 07:13
GinSlinger wrote:
02 Apr 2012, 16:10
thoreau wrote:My understanding was that an "affirmative defense" effectively shifts the burden of proof (in some cases, in some jurisdictions) because you are essentially granting some of the prosecution's case to them. I would like clarification from the lawyers before I stand by, clarify, or rescind anything that I have said.
This language makes clear that the law provides a true immunity and not merely an affirmative defense. The Florida legislative session law notes demonstrate the true intent behind the new law stating; "The Legislature finds that it is proper for law-abiding people to protect themselves, their families, and others from intruders and attackers without fear of prosecution or civil action for acting in defense of themselves and others". Ch. 2005-27 at 200, Laws of Florida. See Peterson v State, 983 So. 2d 27 (Fla. 1 st DCA 2008)
http://www.hessingerlaw.com/Articles/Se ... d-Law.aspx

Seems a Google search can uncover it.
The source link is dead, but here is the one that opens up. - https://www.lvcriminaldefense.com/self- ... und-law-2/
Welcome, dr_g! Pull up a stump and join the conversation. You must have been looking way down the list to resurrect this oldie. (Please don't pull up any of the ones where I predicted Trump would lose big in 2016.)
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dr_g wrote:
07 May 2019, 07:13
GinSlinger wrote:
02 Apr 2012, 16:10
thoreau wrote:My understanding was that an "affirmative defense" effectively shifts the burden of proof (in some cases, in some jurisdictions) because you are essentially granting some of the prosecution's case to them. I would like clarification from the lawyers before I stand by, clarify, or rescind anything that I have said.
This language makes clear that the law provides a true immunity and not merely an affirmative defense. The Florida legislative session law notes demonstrate the true intent behind the new law stating; "The Legislature finds that it is proper for law-abiding people to protect themselves, their families, and others from intruders and attackers without fear of prosecution or civil action for acting in defense of themselves and others". Ch. 2005-27 at 200, Laws of Florida. See Peterson v State, 983 So. 2d 27 (Fla. 1 st DCA 2008)
http://www.hessingerlaw.com/Articles/Se ... d-Law.aspx

Seems a Google search can uncover it.
The source link is dead, but here is the one that opens up. - https://www.lvcriminaldefense.com/self- ... und-law-2/
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I think that's excellent advice.

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George Zimmerman is suing Trayvon Martin's parents for $100 million.

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Jennifer wrote:
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George Zimmerman is suing Trayvon Martin's parents for $100 million.

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That'll make people think better of him, I'm sure.
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Jake wrote:
Jennifer wrote:
04 Dec 2019, 15:59
George Zimmerman is suing Trayvon Martin's parents for $100 million.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/ ... ce=twitter
That'll make people think better of him, I'm sure.
Amongst a certain demographic, yes it probably will.
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Zimmerman should go hang out at Mar Lago, and we'll just trust that he'll use the good judgment that he's so well known for.
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thoreau wrote:
04 Dec 2019, 22:09
Zimmerman should go hang out at Mar Lago, and we'll just trust that he'll use the good judgment that he's so well known for.
He was acquitted, he doesn't need a pardon...

:oops: Sorry, I just remembered he wasn't charged with a Federal offense, so Donnie can't help.

:oops: :oops: Double oops! I mean, obviously you don't mean that Zimmerman could wind up fighting with Donnie for possession of a gun... :P
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I'm just saying that OJ is in Florida, Zimmerman is in Florida, and both of these guys have the sort of good judgment and great public image that Trump loves to surround himself with. I hope that they spend some time with him at Mar Lago and live up to their reputations.
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John McWhorter has gone Trayvon Truther.

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As a general rule, I assume all activist documentaries called The Blahblah Hoax are trash.

In the dark recesses of my brain, I think we are in a moment where I don’t trust anyone about anything that has activist implications, and that includes conservatives telling their favorite story about media complicity in selling left oppression and left people who may think they can Make A Difference with a tweetable example of injustice.

I don’t think key facts about Zimmerman following Zmartin, Martin kicking his ass, and Zimmerman shooting are in dispute. Where the shoot was legal has everything to do with the moments of violence. You can’t hit someone with a brick for following you. You can hit someone with a brick if there are explicit conditions that made you fear for your life such as threats, display of weapon, and certainly aggressive action with a weapon.

You can’t shoot someone because they don’t answer your questions. You can’t shoot them because they told you to fuck off. If they swing at you you enter a gray area. If they hit you with a hard object, it may well be a self defense shoot.

Who was on the phone doesn’t really get at the facts that matter. The guy was acquitted. Which seems reasonable to me based on facts at hand but he shouldn’t have been following Martin in the first place, no hoax made him do that.

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JasonL wrote:
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The guy was acquitted. Which seems reasonable to me based on facts
I wouldn't put it that way. I'd say it's more 'the place you wind up under an "innocent until proven guilty" standard based on the lack of facts'.
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Separate from questions about Zimmerman's actions, I share Jason's default about muckraking documentaries with conspiratorial titles. Normally that would be the end of the matter.

Three things give me pause:
1) I've read enough Radley Balko that I no longer rule out the possibility that a prosecutor called a witness to lie about a phone call that they weren't on.

2) When a topic is radioactive, sane people won't touch it. So you get crazy conspiratorial people touching it.

3) McWhorter is not crazy. If he considers this plausible that doesn't mean it's right, but it's no longer something to summarily dismiss.

My Bayesian prior is still that the girl on the witness stand was the girl on the phone, but this whole thing is weird.
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My Bayesian prior is that Trayvon Martin's parents don't have $100 million.

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D.A. Ridgely wrote:
07 Dec 2019, 12:38
My Bayesian prior is that Trayvon Martin's parents don't have $100 million.
Oh, they probably got a big payout from Soros to set their kid up to get killed so Black Lives Matter would have a cause to demonstrate about. ("Now where did I leave my tin foil hat?")
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