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Post by Kolohe » 18 Mar 2012, 12:10

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Spencer Ackerman wrote:You'll recall that Pakistan is home to al-Qaida, a particularly fearsome version of the Taliban...
This is a really awful sentence by Ackerman, who should know better. (al-Qaida is not a 'version' of the Taliban, and in any case is not based in Pakistan. It was based in Afghanistan, and to the extent it still exists, is currently based in Yemen - Osama's last hiding place notwithstanding.)
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Post by Jennifer » 18 Mar 2012, 12:24

"You'll recall that Pittsburgh is home to the Pittsburgh Steelers, a particularly fearsome version of the Washington Redskins..."
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Post by Kolohe » 18 Mar 2012, 13:47

I'd argue it's worse than that, more like "You recall Washington is home of the Washington Redskins, a particularly fearsome version of the New York Yankees"
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Post by Jennifer » 18 Mar 2012, 14:36

Kolohe wrote:I'd argue it's worse than that, more like "You recall Washington is home of the Washington Redskins, a particularly fearsome version of the New York Yankees"
I don't know enough about football to get that reference, but I know enough to know they're three completely distinct teams.
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Post by Highway » 18 Mar 2012, 14:42

Jennifer wrote:
Kolohe wrote:I'd argue it's worse than that, more like "You recall Washington is home of the Washington Redskins, a particularly fearsome version of the New York Yankees"
I don't know enough about football to get that reference, but I know enough to know they're three completely distinct teams.
Kolohe's version is completely different sports.
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Post by Jennifer » 18 Mar 2012, 14:45

Highway wrote:
Jennifer wrote:
Kolohe wrote:I'd argue it's worse than that, more like "You recall Washington is home of the Washington Redskins, a particularly fearsome version of the New York Yankees"
I don't know enough about football to get that reference, but I know enough to know they're three completely distinct teams.
Kolohe's version is completely different sports.
Ah, right.
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Post by fyodor » 19 Mar 2012, 00:03

FWIW, I once saw someone on Charlie Rose, someone who was there and involved and all and wrote a book about it (thus getting on Charlie Rose), say that the two were one and the same. But that's the only person I've ever seen say that. (I certainly understand the ostensible differences that most everyone seems to recognize, so don't worry bout that.) So I don't know if Ackerman is subscribing to that or really just is being loose and sloppy and stupid in his thinking or writing. I would guess the latter if he's not even bothering to explain/admit that he's basing that on a decidedly minority view (which I believe the guy on CR admitted at least implicitly).
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Post by Hugh Akston » 19 Mar 2012, 01:29

FWIAW, Russia recognizes both as terrorist organizations.

While the US doesn't recognize the Afghani Taliban as terrorists (probably because there is no Taliban in Afghanistan since the US beat them in a war like ten years ago amirite?), they do recognize its opposite number in Pakistan.

I also have it on good authority that the Missouri Highway Patrol recognizes both the Taliban and al Qaida (along with PETA, the Ron Paul presidential campaign, and the Girl Scouts of America) as dangerous terrorist organizations.
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Post by Kolohe » 19 Mar 2012, 06:27

At best, it's like saying the University of California is a particularly fearsome form of Cal Poly.
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Post by Mo » 19 Mar 2012, 23:52

I don't understand the Mets-Madoff suit. The trustees claim:
The trustee, Irving H. Picard, had initially sought $1 billion, declaring that the owners had enriched themselves over many years of profitable investing with Mr. Madoff while ignoring repeated warnings that he might have been a fraud.
If it was so obvious that the Madoff scheme was a fraud, why the hell were the people trying to collect money from the trustees still involved?
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Post by Aresen » 20 Mar 2012, 22:15

That is so sick that I could not stop laughing.
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Post by the innominate one » 20 Mar 2012, 22:25

I question Dr. Pepper's marketing division's product placement choices.
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Post by thoreau » 20 Mar 2012, 22:30

If she showed any inkling that she understood that what she did was wrong, I'd say that she should be left alone to take a second chance at her life. But, you know, if she's going to continue to insist that it was all cool, to hell with her.
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Post by D.A. Ridgely » 20 Mar 2012, 22:35

thoreau wrote: ... to hell with her.
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Post by Aresen » 20 Mar 2012, 22:36

thoreau wrote:If she showed any inkling that she understood that what she did was wrong, I'd say that she should be left alone to take a second chance at her life. But, you know, if she's going to continue to insist that it was all cool, to hell with her.
You gotta admit, she does have the inside track on this year's "Good German" Award/
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Post by Mo » 20 Mar 2012, 22:41

his voice is so soothing, but why do conspiracy nuts always sound like Batman and Robin solving one of Riddler's puzzles out loud? - fod

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Post by Kolohe » 21 Mar 2012, 07:13

Well she confirms my biases about the US Army and military reservists. But the fact she can't get a job or a date goes against my biases about West Virginians.
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Post by the innominate one » 21 Mar 2012, 10:15

Kolohe wrote:Well she confirms my biases about the US Army and military reservists. But the fact she can't get a job or a date goes against my biases about West Virginians.
Maybe none of her cousins lives nearby.
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Post by Aresen » 15 Jun 2012, 00:42

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Post by Jennifer » 20 Jun 2012, 19:55

Aresen wrote:A fire destroyed a church in Juarez but 'spared' the image of the Virgin of Guadalupe.

Get set for a round of intense miracle-mongering.
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Post by Warren » 20 Jun 2012, 20:08

thoreau wrote:If she showed any inkling that she understood that what she did was wrong, I'd say that she should be left alone to take a second chance at her life. But, you know, if she's going to continue to insist that it was all cool, to hell with her.
The world is full of ignorant yahoos. The problem with Lynndie England isn't Lynndie England. It's the piece of shits that said "Hey Lynndie, we got a little job for you".
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Post by Kwix » 20 Jun 2012, 20:18

Jennifer wrote:
Aresen wrote:A fire destroyed a church in Juarez but 'spared' the image of the Virgin of Guadalupe.

Get set for a round of intense miracle-mongering.
It proves that God and I have something in common: we both like paintings but have no use for churches.
Hah!
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Post by thoreau » 20 Jun 2012, 20:25

Warren wrote:
thoreau wrote:If she showed any inkling that she understood that what she did was wrong, I'd say that she should be left alone to take a second chance at her life. But, you know, if she's going to continue to insist that it was all cool, to hell with her.
The world is full of ignorant yahoos. The problem with Lynndie England isn't Lynndie England. It's the piece of shits that said "Hey Lynndie, we got a little job for you".
The pieces of shit that gave her a job are also a problem. There are multiple problematic people here. All of them deserve our scorn.

I'm inclined to forgive the low men and women on the totem pole if they understand why they did something wrong, and show some indication that they won't go around seeking sympathy for their devilish behavior. But if they think that what they did was cool? Fuck 'em.
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Post by Warren » 21 Jun 2012, 00:00

thoreau wrote:
Warren wrote:
thoreau wrote:If she showed any inkling that she understood that what she did was wrong, I'd say that she should be left alone to take a second chance at her life. But, you know, if she's going to continue to insist that it was all cool, to hell with her.
The world is full of ignorant yahoos. The problem with Lynndie England isn't Lynndie England. It's the piece of shits that said "Hey Lynndie, we got a little job for you".
The pieces of shit that gave her a job are also a problem. There are multiple problematic people here. All of them deserve our scorn.

I'm inclined to forgive the low men and women on the totem pole if they understand why they did something wrong, and show some indication that they won't go around seeking sympathy for their devilish behavior. But if they think that what they did was cool? Fuck 'em.
I'm not saying she should be forgiven.* I'm saying I'm not interested in peering into the heart and mind of Lynndie England. That's between her and her deity of choice. What concerns me is that the "few bad apples" story held water. The consequences to our national security and reputation are ongoing and the forces that drove those in power then are still at work. It is in the complete lack of accountability for those that set policy that demands my attention.



*As a strictly accademic aside, I note that having contempt for and dehumanizing the enemy is actually a pretty basic, one might even say essential, mindset for a boots-on-the-ground soldier. (When so many were Shocked! Shocked! at that picture of marines urinating on a corpse, I was saying "you send young men to foreign lands to kill the natives, this is what you get") Not that Lynndie was in combat. Though she was of low rank and in country. Should she in retrospect be able to look back with the distance of time and understand out of basic human decency the morally culpable nature of her acts? Yes, I agree she should. However, I suspect she may simply be unable to.
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