The Road to Damascus

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Re: The Road to Damascus

Post by Andrew » 30 Apr 2017, 23:08

Kolohe wrote:MANPADS probably.
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Re: The Road to Damascus

Post by Hugh Akston » 01 May 2017, 00:01

It should go without saying that US forces are not going to shoot down Turkish warplanes. Even Trump isn't that stu...shit.
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Re: The Road to Damascus

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Hugh Akston wrote:It should go without saying that US forces are not going to shoot down Turkish warplanes. Even Trump isn't that stu...shit.
On top of the shitshow of that, can they even tell for sure if the planes are going after the right targets or the wrong targets while they're still within MANPADS range?
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Re: The Road to Damascus

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Hugh Akston wrote:It should go without saying that US forces are not going to shoot down Turkish warplanes. Even Trump isn't that stu...shit.
Is there an article that is claiming the US shot down a Turkish plane? My Google Fu didn't turn up anything.

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Re: The Road to Damascus

Post by Hugh Akston » 01 May 2017, 11:11

Painboy wrote:
Hugh Akston wrote:It should go without saying that US forces are not going to shoot down Turkish warplanes. Even Trump isn't that stu...shit.
Is there an article that is claiming the US shot down a Turkish plane? My Google Fu didn't turn up anything.
Fyo's link upthread is about US forces patrolling the border after the Turks bombed some friendly bastards in Syria, presumably to prevent such occurrences in the future. But its a show of force with no teeth behind it. America isn't going to sacrifice the good graces of its bestest pal Recep by doing anything that would actually stop him. That's why they're using ground patrols instead of air power, so it can look like they're acting without actually putting themselves in the position to do anything.
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Re: The Road to Damascus

Post by lunchstealer » 01 May 2017, 11:53

I think it's more of a 'don't worry turkey we're here so the mean old kurds won't mess with you' type of signaling.
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Re: The Road to Damascus

Post by Kolohe » 01 May 2017, 12:43

lunchstealer wrote:I think it's more of a 'don't worry turkey we're here so the mean old kurds won't mess with you' type of signaling.
my guess is this as well.
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Re: The Road to Damascus

Post by Hugh Akston » 09 May 2017, 14:15

What could possibly go wrong?
President Donald Trump has approved a plan to arm the Syrian Kurdish militia — an important U.S. ally in Syria in the fight against ISIS.

The Pentagon said the move is significant because it supports the notion that the Syrian Democratic Force is the fighting force that will eventually go in to Raqqa, a city in Syria's center which has been under ISIS control since 2014. The move also reinforces the idea that the entire Syrian Democratic Force, Syrian Kurds (YPG) and the Syrian Arab Coalition, has the backing of the U.S.
The Turks will be notified about the decision on arming Syrian Kurdish forces soon and the Pentagon expects a strong reaction. In March, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson traveled to Turkey to meet with President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who sees the YPG as terrorists.
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Re: The Road to Damascus

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Hugh Akston wrote:What could possibly go wrong?
President Donald Trump has approved a plan to arm the Syrian Kurdish militia — an important U.S. ally in Syria in the fight against ISIS.

The Pentagon said the move is significant because it supports the notion that the Syrian Democratic Force is the fighting force that will eventually go in to Raqqa, a city in Syria's center which has been under ISIS control since 2014. The move also reinforces the idea that the entire Syrian Democratic Force, Syrian Kurds (YPG) and the Syrian Arab Coalition, has the backing of the U.S.
The Turks will be notified about the decision on arming Syrian Kurdish forces soon and the Pentagon expects a strong reaction. In March, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson traveled to Turkey to meet with President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who sees the YPG as terrorists.
Russia may get that warm water port it has wanted all these centuries.
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Re: The Road to Damascus

Post by Painboy » 09 May 2017, 15:32

Aresen wrote:
Hugh Akston wrote:What could possibly go wrong?
President Donald Trump has approved a plan to arm the Syrian Kurdish militia — an important U.S. ally in Syria in the fight against ISIS.

The Pentagon said the move is significant because it supports the notion that the Syrian Democratic Force is the fighting force that will eventually go in to Raqqa, a city in Syria's center which has been under ISIS control since 2014. The move also reinforces the idea that the entire Syrian Democratic Force, Syrian Kurds (YPG) and the Syrian Arab Coalition, has the backing of the U.S.
The Turks will be notified about the decision on arming Syrian Kurdish forces soon and the Pentagon expects a strong reaction. In March, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson traveled to Turkey to meet with President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who sees the YPG as terrorists.
Russia may get that warm water port it has wanted all these centuries.
It does make me wonder about how Turkey is going to handle this. Although technically a part of NATO Erdogan has all but become a dictator there and I doubt NATO is happy about that. If Turkey pisses them off and they get kicked out they won't have anyone to protect them from Russia. That could mean they either ally with Russia and become Putin's puppet, or go their own way. Neither of those seem like good ideas.

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Re: The Road to Damascus

Post by Hugh Akston » 09 May 2017, 16:11

As long as Syrians are fleeing the war, NATO will let Recep get away with whatever he wants.
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Re: The Road to Damascus

Post by Kolohe » 13 May 2017, 14:01

this is a good article. I'm, at best, ambivalent on his policy prescription, but it's smart and well argued.
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Re: The Road to Damascus

Post by Aresen » 13 May 2017, 22:13

Kolohe wrote:this is a good article. I'm, at best, ambivalent on his policy prescription, but it's smart and well argued.
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Re: The Road to Damascus

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http://www.militarytimes.com/articles/n ... -us-allies

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Re: The Road to Damascus

Post by Kolohe » 19 Jun 2017, 20:50

And now the CJCS is saying that shooting down the plane was under the authority of the 9/11 2001 AUMF.

I could swear that it was Dunford just last year that said expanding the air war without some sort of Congressional authority was 'above his paygrade'
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Re: The Road to Damascus

Post by Aresen » 12 Jul 2017, 10:22

A London-based monitoring group with a solid history of accurately reporting incidents from inside war-torn Syria said Tuesday that it had been able to confirm the death of Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.*
A spokesman for the U.S.-led anti-ISIS coalition told CBS News in an emailed statement that, "we cannot confirm this report, but hope it is true. We strongly advise ISIS to implement a strong line of succession, it will be needed."
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Re: The Road to Damascus

Post by Warren » 12 Jul 2017, 10:30

Chopping off heads of groups that glorify martyrdom above all is a Sisyphean task. Or maybe its Herculean. Whatever, some Greek metaphor for futility.
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Re: The Road to Damascus

Post by Sandy » 13 Jul 2017, 11:38

Not Syria, but a hop and a skip over, it looks like the Saudi/UAE pressure on Qatar may have backfired:

http://ifpnews.com/exclusive/documents- ... aeda-isis/

However, the source is suspect. On the gripping hand, we know wahabbist support for terrorist groups has been pretty strong.
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Re: The Road to Damascus

Post by Hugh Akston » 20 Jul 2017, 10:15

Some actual good news from the Trump administration:
President Trump has decided to end the CIA’s covert program to arm and train moderate Syrian rebels battling the government of Bashar al-Assad, a move long sought by Russia, according to U.S. officials.

The program was a central plank of a policy begun by the Obama administration in 2013 to put pressure on Assad to step aside, but even its backers have questioned its efficacy since Russia deployed forces in Syria two years later.
With the end of the CIA program, U.S. involvement in Syria now consists of a vigorous air campaign against the Islamic State and a Pentagon-run train-and-equip program in support of the largely Kurdish rebel force that is advancing on Islamic State strongholds in Raqqa and along the Euphrates River valley. The Trump administration’s long-term strategy, following the defeat of the Islamic State, appears to be focused on stitching together a series of regional cease-fire deals among the U.S.-backed rebels, the Syrian government and Russia.
Toward the end of the Obama administration, some officials advocated ending the CIA program, arguing that the rebels would be ineffective without a major escalation in U.S. support. But the program still had the support of a majority of top Obama advisers, who argued that the United States couldn’t abandon its allies on the ground and give up on the moderate opposition because of the damage that it would do to U.S. standing in the region.

Even those who were skeptical about the program’s long-term value, viewed it as a key bargaining chip that could be used to wring concessions from Moscow in negotiations over Syria’s future.
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Re: The Road to Damascus

Post by fyodor » 20 Jul 2017, 10:55

But the program still had the support of a majority of top Obama advisers, who argued that the United States couldn’t abandon its allies on the ground and give up on the moderate opposition because of the damage that it would do to U.S. standing in the region.
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Re: The Road to Damascus

Post by Taktix® » 20 Jul 2017, 11:23

If only Russia were on the other side of every other major conflict we're involved in, we'd have a fully non-interventionist foreign policy by tea time...
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Re: The Road to Damascus

Post by Kolohe » 31 Aug 2017, 09:22

We're now bombing the road from Damascus

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/u-s-us ... 1504103225

It's almost beautiful, how fractal everything is in that story, with Daesh, Assad, Hezbollah, Lebanon, Iraq, Spain, and the US all being on different sides.
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Re: The Road to Damascus

Post by Aresen » 31 Aug 2017, 10:42

Kolohe wrote:
31 Aug 2017, 09:22
We're now bombing the road from Damascus

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/u-s-us ... 1504103225

It's almost beautiful, how fractal everything is in that story, with Daesh, Assad, Hezbollah, Lebanon, Iraq, Spain, and the US all being on different sides.
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Re: The Road to Damascus

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An in-depth report on the politics, composition, and actions of Iraqi Popular Mobilization Units


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Re: The Road to Damascus

Post by Fin Fang Foom » 16 Nov 2017, 19:33

It's cool that there seems to be a general war brewing in the Middle East. We won't get dragged into that, and it won't destroy the world economy for a decade.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11 ... elligence/
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