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Kolohe wrote:
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Jadagul wrote:
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I mean, it used to be reasonably common to memorize large portions of the Baltimore Catechism.

But that's the point. Protestants memorize the Bible; Catholics memorize the Catechism.
Sorry, I meant I never heard of sword drills. I memorized a whole bunch of stuff in CCD (but I was always kind of good at that, when I was younger)
Yeah, I got that. I was suggesting that "memorize the Catechism" was a better match than "Saints' lives trivia." But they're both very non-Protestant.

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Leonard French discusses an interesting lawsuit:

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Post by D.A. Ridgely » 12 Jan 2019, 13:27

Jadagul wrote:
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Jennifer wrote:
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Ellie's comment made me realize -- yeah, attempts at rewriting the Bible in various forms DOES seem to be a Protestant thing; I don't recall any Catholic versions of "Extreme Bibles" or "Hip-Hop Bibles" or "The Groovy Bible for Groovy Hippies" or anything like that.
The Catholic Church has historically believed that the Bible was difficult enough that asking/allowing lay people to read it directly was a recipe for them getting confused and lead astray. Thus they should instead listen to the readings in Church where the priest could explain to them how to think about it properly.

The Protestants were historically a lot more focused on allowing/encouraging individuals to read and interpret the Bible for themselves. This is why they had such an emphasis on literacy.
Where "a recipe for them getting confused and lead astray" reads "disobey church authorities." Though in fairness to the Roman Catholic Church, most people were, after all, illiterate even during the Protestant Reformation but, yes, that's why Protestants have historically stressed literacy and also why, in significant measure, public schools in the U.S. were initially supported.

Having not so much given up on that particular tactic as realized most laypeople won't read the Bible regardless, the RCs did come up with the Douay-Rheims translation and later the New Jerusalem Bible, but I doubt they were actually read by most Roman Catholics. As comedian Kathleen Madigan put it, "We don't read the Bible. That's why we have priests; to give us book reports."

Related, when the Revised Standard Version began replacing the King James Version of the Bible, at least one Episcopal priest (and I'm sure there are others who reacted the same way) was berated by his congregation, demanding that the lessons be read "in the original." So the following week he read the Old Testament lessons in Aramaic and the New Testament in Koine Greek.

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Regarding the lady at the end of the Vice video, is the United Church of Canada a Unitarian thing, or is it a Canadian brand of Anglicanism with its own canon of saints like Wayne Gretzky and Tim Horton?
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Regarding the lady at the end of the Vice video, is the United Church of Canada a Unitarian thing, or is it a Canadian brand of Anglicanism with its own canon of saints like Wayne Gretzky and Tim Horton?
It's a bunch of Protestant denominations that got together in the 1920s or 1930s - Methodists, Episcopalians, Satanists - you know, the usual lot. They're very establishment with the usual conservative-liberal thing.

(I may have a few details wrong. google them for more info.)
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Post by D.A. Ridgely » 12 Jan 2019, 15:15

The Anglican Church of Canada is the Canadian equivalent of the Episcopal Church in the U.S.; that is, the official constituent member of the Anglican Communion.

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Post by Hugh Akston » 12 Jan 2019, 15:20

Aresen wrote:
12 Jan 2019, 15:14
Hugh Akston wrote:
12 Jan 2019, 14:51
Regarding the lady at the end of the Vice video, is the United Church of Canada a Unitarian thing, or is it a Canadian brand of Anglicanism with its own canon of saints like Wayne Gretzky and Tim Horton?
It's a bunch of Protestant denominations that got together in the 1920s or 1930s - Methodists, Episcopalians, Satanists - you know, the usual lot. They're very establishment with the usual conservative-liberal thing.

(I may have a few details wrong. google them for more info.)
But they definitely adjust the theology for the audience, right? Like Jesus turning water into Molson or feeding the multitudes with only one order of poutine. Lazarus was resurrected by the provincial healthcare system?
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Hugh Akston wrote:
12 Jan 2019, 15:20
Aresen wrote:
12 Jan 2019, 15:14
Hugh Akston wrote:
12 Jan 2019, 14:51
Regarding the lady at the end of the Vice video, is the United Church of Canada a Unitarian thing, or is it a Canadian brand of Anglicanism with its own canon of saints like Wayne Gretzky and Tim Horton?
It's a bunch of Protestant denominations that got together in the 1920s or 1930s - Methodists, Episcopalians, Satanists - you know, the usual lot. They're very establishment with the usual conservative-liberal thing.

(I may have a few details wrong. google them for more info.)
But they definitely adjust the theology for the audience, right? Like Jesus turning water into Molson or feeding the multitudes with only one order of poutine. Lazarus was resurrected by the provincial healthcare system?
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Hugh Akston wrote:
12 Jan 2019, 15:20
Aresen wrote:
12 Jan 2019, 15:14
Hugh Akston wrote:
12 Jan 2019, 14:51
Regarding the lady at the end of the Vice video, is the United Church of Canada a Unitarian thing, or is it a Canadian brand of Anglicanism with its own canon of saints like Wayne Gretzky and Tim Horton?
It's a bunch of Protestant denominations that got together in the 1920s or 1930s - Methodists, Episcopalians, Satanists - you know, the usual lot. They're very establishment with the usual conservative-liberal thing.

(I may have a few details wrong. google them for more info.)
But they definitely adjust the theology for the audience, right? Like Jesus turning water into Molson or feeding the multitudes with only one order of poutine. Lazarus was resurrected by the provincial healthcare system?
For the first two, you're thinking of Canadian Catholicism.

Canadian Protestants believe Jesus turned the water into Labatt's and fed the multitudes with Ketchup-flavoured potato chips. [Except for Canadian Anglicans, for whom it is Canadian Club and Stoned Wheat Thins.]

All denominations accept the resurrection of Lazarus by provincial healthcare. And that Christ spent three days in the US after his Crucifixion.

(Warren has the communion rite correct.)
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Jadagul wrote:The Catholic Church has historically believed that the Bible was difficult enough that asking/allowing lay people to read it directly was a recipe for them getting confused and lead astray.
Warren wrote:
12 Jan 2019, 14:04
[Julia Sweeney -- Letting Go of God]
The first time I heard Julia Sweeney's story about becoming an atheist was on This American Life -- specifically, about how she lost her faith over the course of a Bible study she was taking at her Catholic Church where they read the whole Bible straight through. I was still Catholic at the time and remember thinking, "Oh, shit! Don't just READ the Bible! You'll definitely end up getting disillusioned with religion!" :lol:

(and no, it never occurred to me to question my own faith when acknowledging the fact that the Bible is weird and messed up. Because I was Catholic, so the Bible doesn't matter, obvs!)
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Post by Warren » 12 Jan 2019, 19:13

Ellie wrote:
12 Jan 2019, 18:19
Jadagul wrote:The Catholic Church has historically believed that the Bible was difficult enough that asking/allowing lay people to read it directly was a recipe for them getting confused and lead astray.
Warren wrote:
12 Jan 2019, 14:04
[Julia Sweeney -- Letting Go of God]
The first time I heard Julia Sweeney's story about becoming an atheist was on This American Life -- specifically, about how she lost her faith over the course of a Bible study she was taking at her Catholic Church where they read the whole Bible straight through. I was still Catholic at the time and remember thinking, "Oh, shit! Don't just READ the Bible! You'll definitely end up getting disillusioned with religion!" :lol:

(and no, it never occurred to me to question my own faith when acknowledging the fact that the Bible is weird and messed up. Because I was Catholic, so the Bible doesn't matter, obvs!)
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Ellie wrote:
12 Jan 2019, 18:19
Jadagul wrote:The Catholic Church has historically believed that the Bible was difficult enough that asking/allowing lay people to read it directly was a recipe for them getting confused and lead astray.
Warren wrote:
12 Jan 2019, 14:04
[Julia Sweeney -- Letting Go of God]
The first time I heard Julia Sweeney's story about becoming an atheist was on This American Life -- specifically, about how she lost her faith over the course of a Bible study she was taking at her Catholic Church where they read the whole Bible straight through. I was still Catholic at the time and remember thinking, "Oh, shit! Don't just READ the Bible! You'll definitely end up getting disillusioned with religion!" :lol:

(and no, it never occurred to me to question my own faith when acknowledging the fact that the Bible is weird and messed up. Because I was Catholic, so the Bible doesn't matter, obvs!)
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