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by JasonL
Today, 19:24
Forum: General Chatter
Topic: There must be a pony in here somewhere.
Replies: 1699
Views: 57236

Re: There must be a pony in here somewhere.

I mean I appreciate the poetry, and maybe it would be better to call it a tax, but, again - the alternative is the camel trampling all over the tent forever. Handing over all features of medicine to the government directly forever, apparently not nearly as offensive as nose in the tent?
by JasonL
Today, 15:37
Forum: General Chatter
Topic: There must be a pony in here somewhere.
Replies: 1699
Views: 57236

Re: There must be a pony in here somewhere.

I'm not a super fan of ACA, though my preferred solution would be to retain elements of it rather than go single payer. The government collecting the money and controlling the whole process end to end it is to me not just kinda but very obviously worse than me having a choice about elements of the p...
by JasonL
Today, 15:19
Forum: General Chatter
Topic: There must be a pony in here somewhere.
Replies: 1699
Views: 57236

Re: There must be a pony in here somewhere.

You mean because the price went up? In the hypothetical model where you just call it a tax the same incentive to buy exists and the providers face the same incentives. Price goes up there too.
by JasonL
Today, 15:14
Forum: General Chatter
Topic: There must be a pony in here somewhere.
Replies: 1699
Views: 57236

Re: There must be a pony in here somewhere.

I'm also pretty sure the penalty for a single member household of zero income is zero dollars, so ...
by JasonL
Today, 15:11
Forum: General Chatter
Topic: There must be a pony in here somewhere.
Replies: 1699
Views: 57236

Re: There must be a pony in here somewhere.

The ACA penalty right now is calculated against household income covering dependents. I could call it a household tax covering dependents the same way. Same effect. I wouldn't have to change method of calculation, method of administration, nothing.
by JasonL
Today, 13:47
Forum: General Chatter
Topic: There must be a pony in here somewhere.
Replies: 1699
Views: 57236

Re: There must be a pony in here somewhere.

The incentives are the same, the coverage effects are the same, the boon to insurers is the same, the incidence is the same, the total revenue is the same, and the math of individual cost is the same. Consequences of non purchase are the same. It's the same.
by JasonL
Today, 12:26
Forum: General Chatter
Topic: There must be a pony in here somewhere.
Replies: 1699
Views: 57236

Re: There must be a pony in here somewhere.

Warren - it’s mathematically identical to raise taxes then deduct for everyone except those who don’t purchase insurance. Not similar. Identical. Don’t like ACA that’s fine but that’s not some kind of philosophical point about purchase vs government provision.
by JasonL
Today, 11:31
Forum: The Joys of Life
Topic: Guns and Whatnot.
Replies: 393
Views: 21380

Re: Guns and Whatnot.

Ahh the good ol days of "numbchucks" and "death stars". :lol:
by JasonL
Today, 10:40
Forum: The Joys of Life
Topic: Podcasts - Watcha listening to?
Replies: 497
Views: 27960

Re: Podcasts - Watcha listening to?

I thought the current 5thC was pretty good. I don't agree with him on lots of things, but I like the cut of Yascha Mounk's jib.
by JasonL
Today, 10:37
Forum: General Chatter
Topic: There must be a pony in here somewhere.
Replies: 1699
Views: 57236

Re: There must be a pony in here somewhere.

I get that but compared to other concepts in play? It’s a secondary concern at best. Someone has to provide the service. If it’s single payer or some other massive expansion of Medicare am I supposed to act like that’s not political force rewarding interested parties? No. But I mean, this is only a...
by JasonL
Today, 07:45
Forum: General Chatter
Topic: There must be a pony in here somewhere.
Replies: 1699
Views: 57236

Re: There must be a pony in here somewhere.

I get that but compared to other concepts in play? It’s a secondary concern at best. Someone has to provide the service. If it’s single payer or some other massive expansion of Medicare am I supposed to act like that’s not political force rewarding interested parties?
by JasonL
Today, 07:08
Forum: General Chatter
Topic: There must be a pony in here somewhere.
Replies: 1699
Views: 57236

Re: There must be a pony in here somewhere.

No difference that matters. Am I being forced to pay for the service? Yes. This is a strange aesthetic thing.
by JasonL
Yesterday, 22:31
Forum: General Chatter
Topic: There must be a pony in here somewhere.
Replies: 1699
Views: 57236

Re: There must be a pony in here somewhere.

But - ok. Let’s set aside the idea of a purchase. Provision of a service. Why is it worse in any effective way to impose a penalty for non purchase through private providers than it is to impose a tax to supply the same from the government? Isn’t the latter less liberal in most dimensions?
by JasonL
Yesterday, 22:21
Forum: General Chatter
Topic: There must be a pony in here somewhere.
Replies: 1699
Views: 57236

Re: There must be a pony in here somewhere.

Yeah as in the other thread you make little sense there.
by JasonL
Yesterday, 20:48
Forum: General Chatter
Topic: There must be a pony in here somewhere.
Replies: 1699
Views: 57236

Re: There must be a pony in here somewhere.

If the government passed federal housing tax and bought shitty houses for everyone you are saying that’s not a mandatory home purchase? Public schooling isn’t a mandatory educational purchase? Vouchers are bullshit because the unicorn farts of general revenue mean you haven’t really already paid for...
by JasonL
Yesterday, 20:45
Forum: General Chatter
Topic: There must be a pony in here somewhere.
Replies: 1699
Views: 57236

Re: There must be a pony in here somewhere.

I mean I’m sorry that’s a a goofy hill to die on. You are saying so long as the government is the provider of a service there’s no shocking violation here because the money gets washed clean through general revenues? The government can write A Rule. That rule says hand over money to be used for insu...
by JasonL
Yesterday, 16:53
Forum: The Joys of Life
Topic: Podcasts - Watcha listening to?
Replies: 497
Views: 27960

Re: Podcasts - Watcha listening to?

I'm fine with vocal fry but super uptalky people make me want to die.
by JasonL
Yesterday, 16:51
Forum: General Chatter
Topic: There must be a pony in here somewhere.
Replies: 1699
Views: 57236

Re: There must be a pony in here somewhere.

The bridge for mandatory insurance was crossed with Medicare. The idea that if the supplier of mandatory insurance is the government well that's just a tax and perfectly fine but if it's anyone other than the government you have crossed some new taboo - I don't get that. If it's okay for medicare an...
by JasonL
Yesterday, 12:58
Forum: General Chatter
Topic: There must be a pony in here somewhere.
Replies: 1699
Views: 57236

Re: There must be a pony in here somewhere.

Agree. Bad mistake. Very difficult to unwind.
by JasonL
Yesterday, 07:10
Forum: General Chatter
Topic: There must be a pony in here somewhere.
Replies: 1699
Views: 57236

Re: There must be a pony in here somewhere.

Hugh Akston wrote:
JasonL wrote:
16 Dec 2018, 21:57
If you earn any money in the world you have to buy Medicare, social security, SSDI.
Those are taxes, not purchases.
There’s no difference I can see. People talk about those as purchases all the time.
by JasonL
16 Dec 2018, 21:57
Forum: General Chatter
Topic: There must be a pony in here somewhere.
Replies: 1699
Views: 57236

Re: There must be a pony in here somewhere.

If you earn any money in the world you have to buy Medicare, social security, SSDI.
by JasonL
16 Dec 2018, 08:36
Forum: General Chatter
Topic: There must be a pony in here somewhere.
Replies: 1699
Views: 57236

Re: There must be a pony in here somewhere.

I thought more than 2/3. You guys don’t have co pays right? No co-pays on basic care. The Fraser Institute (a libertarian-ish econ think-tank) has estimated that even a $5 co-pay would eliminate most of the wait lines in emergency rooms and save billions of dollars, but it's a political non-starter...
by JasonL
16 Dec 2018, 08:34
Forum: General Chatter
Topic: There must be a pony in here somewhere.
Replies: 1699
Views: 57236

Re: There must be a pony in here somewhere.

I will never understand the obsession with that feature as a lynchpin of reform. We already have a mandatory insurance purchase program or three. Nobody who voted on it was confused about this feature then woke up and were like “it’s a tax oh noes!”
by JasonL
15 Dec 2018, 07:56
Forum: General Chatter
Topic: There must be a pony in here somewhere.
Replies: 1699
Views: 57236

Re: There must be a pony in here somewhere.

I thought more than 2/3. You guys don’t have co pays right?
by JasonL
14 Dec 2018, 12:06
Forum: The Joys of Life
Topic: Music for the Masses
Replies: 1157
Views: 80024

Re: Music for the Masses

Why is everyone suddenly losing their shit over Billie Eilish especially in a sexualized way she ok musically I guess but like 15. Lesbians seem to be all in? I don’t understand.